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“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need--Egad, what an EVIL CONCEPT!"
- Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Who sad it was bad?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, tommy wrote: You didn't say it, but I thought you didn't like them commies. 
(Good to be back, tommy. Missed your posts when I didn't have internet for several days.) |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, tommy wrote: I did, still do. Every time I do people tell me I'm selfish. When I point out how the concept has infected this once great country, turning it into welfare nation, I'm told I don't understand. Guess I'm too much of a simpleton to understand the evidence of my own senses. Oh well.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I think the commies are bad guys who are delusional. You look at virtually every communist state and almost all of them are a dictatorship that oppresses it's people. Stalin was a communist (yes he was and don't deny or say well Stalin wasn't a 'true' or 'real' communist) and he literally killed more of his own people than Hitler did of his own plus people of those nations he occupied as state policy. When Reagan referred to the communist Soviet Empire as the "EVIL EMPIRE" he was spot on and quite frankly, just telling things as they actually were when referring to the communists in the Soviet Union.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. There's Communism with a capital "C" and communism with a small "c."
By your rationale, the Apostles- who were obviously communists- were bad guys. But some basic reading of Marx, et al, will show you that Soviet Communism bore little, if any relationship, to actual communism. (I know you said I shouldn't say that, but it's hard to avoid stating the truth.) |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, Steve_Mollett wrote: He was so smart that he was right even when he was trying to be ironic.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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There's nothing wrong with the idea, except for the fact that it's a Utopian concept that just doesn't seem to work as planned in the real world. (Though there have been more than a few communes that have done pretty well on small scales.)
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: While I am not at all familiar with that of which you speak I would feel that they would have to stagnate and not develop or advance to any degree. Yes or no? I am asking this more as a question rather than a statement of fact. 
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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I am for boycotting all chains anyway.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: YMMV, but I think there's a bit wrong with it. Like leaving out abilities and work when qorking out the "to each" side of the equation.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Acesover-
Practically speaking, that happens. Ideally, it doesn't. The basic problem is human nature. Someone will always try to take advantage of the system to the detriment of the others. It's not the concept that's good or evil. The philosophy of pure communism is summarized pretty well as follows: Quote:
Communism was first developed into a scientific theory by German philosopher and social scientist Karl Marx,[5] and the collective understanding of this scientific approach is today commonly referred to as Marxism. In the Marxist understanding, communism is the endpoint of human social evolution which will inevitably come into fruition through economic and social advances in socialism. Socialism, being the new order established after the demise of capitalism, is herein characterized by the working class having state power and undertaking the process of abolishing capitalist property and economic relations and establishing social (i.e. public, collective) ownership and management of society's political, economic, and cultural institutions. In accordance with the socialized processes of production, appropriation also becomes socialized as goods and services become consumed on a social basis with free access for the individual. Communism becomes fully realized when the distinction between classes is no longer possible and therefore the state, which has been used as an instrument of class dictatorship, no longer exists.[6][7] In the communist economy, production and consumption are fully socialized, and the processes for which are advanced into maximized automation, efficiency, and recycling. This results in the end of individual money calculation, hence relationships between individuals being based on free association and free access to all goods and services according to need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism That pretty well illustrates why Soviet style communism wasn't the Marxist idea at all. And it must be remembered that Marx envisioned communism as evolving in an industrial society, not the agrarian economy that predominated in Russia at the time of the Russian Revolution. In the Soviet Union, the State itself was the "evil" entity. In actual communism, no State exists. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Yes, but you are looking at how it's worked out in the real world while I'm clearly speaking about the ideal, in which abilities and work are not left out of the equation. Everyone works according to his or her abilities. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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But does not receive in accordance with his abilities or work.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: I hate it when I quote instead of editing.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Right- they receive according to their need. That's the point. And it's also the whole Utopian aspect of it. Everyone is considered exactly equal. And as long as people need to feel superior to others, you'll never find a large population that would accept it. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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As well they shouldn't. An excellent mentalist who is single should make more than a bad one who has to support a family.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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The thing is that in that ideal society, there would be no money, so no one would make more than anyone else. Excellence would exist for it's own sake.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: It's not that people NEED to feel superior to others, it's that some people ARE superior. Why should they work and produce when they will receive the same compensation for their efforts as any worthless bum? For the good of their "brothers", who will show their appreciation by finding more and more ways to be in "need"? That's the problem with all these ideas of "utopian societies". They're all based on the idea that not only are we are our brothers keepers, but that we should want to be. No offence Mastermind, as you should know by now that I respect your intellect and opinions. How would you feel if you we're expected to receive the same compensation as someone who bought a book on mental ism last week and set out to be an entertainer? You'd have no choice but to lower your expectations and work for the same compensation as the newbie. He, in fact, would then set the value of your work, and you'd have no right to complain, or expect anyone to consider the difference. You would however be expected to offer your superior abilities for the same compensation as he expected, without complaint. The problem with all these ideas of a perfect society is that while they proclaim that we will all rise together, the truth is that we all go down together.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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On Jun 30, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Excellence would cease to exist. On a side note. "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money." Often quoted wrong, but the Iron Lady knew what she was talking about.
Danny Doyle
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