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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts 
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On Jun 29, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: No John you are trying to play the class envy card and introduce new things into the discussion to distract from the facts. I simply extended those facts to include all employees. You want to make it about discrimination. It is not. But keep trying. It is as you say comical
Danny Doyle
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On Jun 29, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: And bought nothing. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On Jun 29, 2014, S2000magician wrote: Sure.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On Jun 29, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: I have no idea what the "class envy card" is, Danny. But you did engage is a sloppy double-standard. If you read landmark's original post, class has everything to do with his posting of this story. (The fact that the man is a veteran seems morally irrelevant to me, though.) The question before us is this: was he fired for giving away company property? Or was he fired for giving away company property to an "undesirable"? All we can do is speculate. But if you rule the second half of the discussion out of order, you've missed the entire point. So I ask you: do people just walk into fast food restaurants (I've never seen a Cracker Barrel, so I'm not sure what it looks like) and just take condiments? In my experience, they do. And napkins, too. I've never seen anyone stopped from doing this (except in mall foodcourts, where condiments are more tightly controlled). Now, I've never seen a fast-food restaurant with a greeter, so I have no opinion about the corn muffin. What are the odds of one of those being given away to more desirable-looking customers? Class is in the story, whether we like it or not.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Jun 29, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: After 4 warnings for the same thing? Yes...I'll be the anyone who really believes that.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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On Jun 29, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: :) But would he have had the four warnings?
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5931 Posts
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Keep moving those goal posts, Magnus. It's not about class. I'm guessing where you live it is. The guy was fired for giving away food after being admonished for it four times. The ones bringing "class" into it are whatever media outlet might need to spin the story with partial truths, and you.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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Unless we have some indication of otherwise, I'll believe Cracker Barrel would give the guy the same four warnings for giving food away no matter WHO he'd given it to.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts
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Actually Cracker Barrell joints are pretty nice places. Old fashioned home cooking and nice country type stores adjoining them. As with any business, inventories have to be controlled and when employees break the rules, they must be disciplined accordingly. In this case, I belive management was correct in terminating him.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Jun 29, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: As long as we're speculating, sure...he might have even gotten them faster. I could see the first incident being unofficial in the actual case: "Hey, I know you meant well, but there's a policy...next time, I'll have to write you up.". In your hypothetical, maybe it's, "What, you don't think they can afford their own muffin?!"
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Btw, I'm not defending any position with regard to the firing. If the facts are all as stated, I don't see a problem with him being let go after the warnings. I suspect landmark doesn't either.
The interesting question (for me) is the policy. Packets of sauce and corn muffins are throw-aways, with no expectation for financial return beyond good will. They're free items. What does Cracker Barrel gain by restricting who takes extra packets? (Again, assuming that the story got the facts straight.)
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On Jun 29, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I'll take that bet! |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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LOL
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts
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I dislike the fact that he felt compelled to tell them he
was a Veteran. "Hey you can't fire me, I'm a Veteran!" Would that sit well with anyone if you were his peer? That sense of entitlement really irks me. On the other side of the coin, Cracked-Barrel is running a new promotion on their fake book page Here. The comments on that page are much more entertaining than here. I dislike companies that pander to one's sense of patriotism when it serves their financial needs. The difference between sincerity and disingenuous is very obvious to myself as a Veteran whenever I run across one of these promotions. The homeless man already had fish which is why he wanted mayonnaise. It wasn't like he would have starved that day. Perhaps that is why Joe chose the muffin for the fish meal. He was reprimanded four times before this, but I'll bet you he was guilty of this many times without being caught. It was a pattern a behaviour. Keep in mind he worked for them since 2011. I have a deep sense of community, but in this case there are circumstances that supercede them. If I were Joe, I would have said, "Let me go ask the owner or the manager." Perhaps he didn't because he wanted to feel good about himself and didn't want to share the glory with either. Joe excercised poor judgment, it's that simple. Good initiative, but poor judgement! p.s. Careful there Magnus, for you may get banned and we need all opinions around here. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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It ain't easy to make money out of a restaurant and nothing in a business is bought to be thrown away. The world of condiment packets is no cottage (cheese) industry according to The Times, it is worth approximately $2B a year they say by the way. Food is perishable and lot does get thrown away of course. It's business not personal. The other week I bought a Café which has just gone broke. I would not advise it as a good business unless you know what you are doing and have it all worked out to the penny.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts
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Landmark and his ridiculous Utopian ideas are just that, ridiculous.
P.S. Love you Landmark 
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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Look up what the company does for Wounded Warrior project.
The packets are not give a ways. They are costs rolled into the price of other PURCHASES. But obviously in Utopia no need to care. It is free for everyone and anyone who disagrees would automatically not care if someone was in an SUV. How ridiculous. Nope it is not about a habit and custom or multiple warnings. It is about class envy. Sorry guys. Pretty thin. Theft of another's property is wrong. Unless you believe there should be no private property. They were not throw aways as they were not in the garbage.
Danny Doyle
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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts
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I will always step into a Cracker Barrel restaurant until needy folks hang around the place looking for free handouts of condiments and corn muffins and then I'm outta there!
John
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On Jun 29, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: And maybe then he might steal the plans to the A-Bomb and blow up the world. But he didn't, see. That's the difference. How about dealing with what *is*, instead of paranoid fantasies? He gave a corn muffin (not $1000) to a needy person (not the Taliban) and the gutless wonder manager fired him for it. Did the manager get a little gold star for what he did? Nothing to do with Utopia. Everything to do with decency 101.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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Are corn muffins a complimentary item in Cracker Barrel? The sort of thing they put on every table, refill as desired, and throw out by the dozen at the end of the night?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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