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Yes, I do, Danny, but I don't think you were directing that to me.

But you're right about my misuse of the word "countless." If we hadn't invaded Iraq there would have been no American casualties.

As to what a nuclear device does: (From Wikipedia)

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Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki; roughly half of the deaths in each city occurred on the first day. During the following months, large numbers died from the effect of burns, radiation sickness, and other injuries, compounded by illness. In both cities, most of the dead were civilians, although Hiroshima had a sizeable garrison.
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The A-bomb is a mere firecracker compared to the nuclear weapons we now possess.
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That's a fact.

The only purpose I can see for nuclear weapons is the deterrent effect of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).
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Unfortunately, everyone in the world dies is we (the US) go to nuclear war with any other big players (China/Russia). There is a thin sliver in the western Midwest that does not get hit directly, but the radiation cloud that is generated circles the world and kills the non-players as well.
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As an EXPERIENCED player of the Fallout series (I even have a Vault Boy tattoo. No lie.) I am confident that I can survive a nuclear war. And it isn't my education that assures me of my survival--Sun Tzu, Lawrence, Machiavelli: what did THEY know about nuclear weapons?--rather, it is my experience. I'm really good at surviving in a post-nuclear-holocaust world. And yes, I'd even build a banjo. With five strings, of course. Anything else isn't really a banjo.

Y'all can call me "Lawrence of Fallout".

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Well, we could have focused entirely on Afghanistan, al Quaeda and bin Laden rather than putting them all on the back burner to fight a fraudulent war in Irag. Countless American lives would have been saved and our objectives would have been attained much earlier.


My personal opinion is that I agree with you, we should not have invaded Iraq. However, it happened, so now we have the mess we have today. How do we get out of it and still keep the country safe in the long term? As far as Afghanistan, I think sending in special forces teams to hunt down Bin Laden would have been far more cost effective and cost less lives rather than relying on the Northern Alliance or occupying Afghanistan. We could have achieved our objectives using special forces teams and without ever occupying Afghanistan. To me, that would have been the smarter approach and much cheaper.
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Uhhhhh..... Really?
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Uhhhhh..... Really?


I never served in Iraq, but I would have gone if told to do so. Soldiers don't always have the luxury of picking the wars they fight in. I was sent on deployment to Afghanistan and honestly, my heart was into the deployment in Afghanistan given that Al-queda was harbored there by the Taliban and were responsible for 9/11. I mean it was not like I was gung ho to go and fight or anything because I knew I might not make it back home alive, but I could see a good reason for being sent to Afghanistan. However it also turned out Afghanistan was a death trap too, so I came to view 9/11 as like bait to provoke us and lure us into a trap in Afghanistan. But somehow I managed to make it out of there alive.
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A small unit would have no chance of finding Bin Laden. Too many hiding places and he was too well protected. We were very lucky to find him in Pakistan.
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A small unit would have no chance of finding Bin Laden. Too many hiding places and he was too well protected. We were very lucky to find him in Pakistan.



Special forces guys are pretty good at gathering intel to locate a target. But then again at that time, we were not ready for an intelligence driven type of unconventional war either.
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We should not have left Afghanistan in the 80's, but hindsight is 20 - 20 you know.
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GM, I'm very glad you made it back alive.

Now let's stop sending our boys and girls to fight for Boeing's, Halliburton's, and Blackwater's profit.
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We should not have left Afghanistan in the 80's, but hindsight is 20 - 20 you know.


Yes, looking back, we should have continued to arm Osama Bin Laden and the mujahadeen as the US did in the 80s...
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No we should of spent some of the money building schools and stabilizing their country.
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Well. We don't spend money here building schools without ulterior motive, what makes you think the US govt is capable of doing the same elsewhere? But yes, it would be nice to build schools without also bombing the children who go to them.
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Bob no that was jot directed at you. The very idea of speaking like that based on service in the area is like telling how to make a complicated dinner based on being a bus boy.

Nukes would devastate the place they a re dropped. It would devastate our planet for a *** long time. There are no simple solutions to come problems. Investments or war or any aspect of life.
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How many countries would continue to reduce their nuclear stockpiles if we (or anyone else) actually did launch a nuclear attack?
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All of them...

Pretty much at once.
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Is it better to nuke them than invade them, that is the question.

It depends on what you are after. If you are after oil I can't see how a nuke help get it. Better to send in the infantile, the inventory I mean. We could nuke places like Ireland I guess but think of the farmland. We could Canada but it might kill a tree. We must learn not to poison the wells of our enemies and to look after the olive trees in war time.
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Good observation, Tom.
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