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Jacob Sparks New user 24 Posts |
When I first got into magic at the age of 13, one of my main sources of learning was YouTube videos teaching about basic sleight of hand with cards. Once I realized books and DVDs were more reliable sources I started using those to expand my magic. Recently I have noticed 2 very good magicians revealing magic: 52 kards and Jarek 120. Their tutorials are more in depth and foster better performance skills than traditional magic exposure. What do you think about what they're doing?
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Jacob Sparks New user 24 Posts |
Note: the famous magician Calen Morelli has appeared on both of their YouTube channels
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
There can be money in youtube videos. I think these guys just realised how much people want to see card tricks revealed and saw that almost all of the videos that expose things are poorly made by people who can barely do those tricks themselves. So they saw that those poorly made videos were getting views and though "hey, I could do that even better".
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jeebs9 Regular user 190 Posts |
I like it... I know most won't agree with any kind magic exposure. But I learned my first trick from those two guys. That was in Dec. But now I've been through Card College and a few other stuff. That was the beginning. I've come a very far from what I've learned in Dec.
Edit: It's funny. The best trick everyone loves was the first 2 tricks I learned. 2 Card Monte and Here and there. |
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Alexxander Elite user Frankfurt, Germany 423 Posts |
I think Youtube channels exposing magic can't do any good for magic at all. It turns magic into "quick tricks that you can do to impress girls at the bar".. there is no proper teaching of misdirection, showmanship or presentation in general.
It's a shame. |
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Jmolomagic Veteran user Victorville 332 Posts |
I believe it all comes down to ethics. Youtube seems to have many "magicians" exposing for popularity. There are also magicians who want to introduce magic to the next generation. When I perform at schools, I usually like to teach the students a simple trick. I also make sure I point them to the right direction to learn more. I just hope I at least inspire once kid to discover what I discovered when I was thier age. I believe that a few magicians on Youtube feel the same way.....I hope.
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Jmolomagic Veteran user Victorville 332 Posts |
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On Jul 15, 2014, Alexxander wrote: I remember growing up and going to the local library and checking out a magic book. The book would explain what the trick should look like and how to accomplish the trick. In most cases there would be little to no teaching of misdirection, showmanship or presentation. Most Youtube "how to" videos are very similar. At the end of the day, regardless on where you start your adventure in magic, it's up to you on what path you take. |
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Jacob Sparks New user 24 Posts |
Whenever I perform shows, I always teach one card trick to the audience at the end to make them feel like they are part of the magic. A low level of exposure for simple tricks isn't bad for magic, but high exposure of copyrighted effects is unethical.
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jeebs9 Regular user 190 Posts |
That's exactly what I do. I show a very low level trick like a key card trick. Super simple.
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ssibal Veteran user 352 Posts |
They have little to no experience performing for real audiences, they lack any kind of showmanship or entertainment value, their technique is usually very poor, and they are unoriginal they expose other magicians tricks without permission. If you want to see what NOT to do, you will find plenty of examples on YouTube.
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Kingman Loyal user Willow Spring NC 294 Posts |
Youtube is here and that's a fact. I don't think that many average people are going to be looking for how to do a double-lift or how Triumph works. The thing to understand is that one thing that exposure cannot replace is presentation. We just have to work harder to make sure that the effect makes them go WOW! even if by some odd chance they came across a video showing how to do it. I have seen some great old chestnuts that even aveage people seem to know and they still can get a great response when the presentation is magical. No different than any of the high-speed, flashy forms of entertainment that we compete against daily. Just have to be presenting our magic as magic!
Without a doubt any selling, exposing or otherwise violating copyright is 100% wrong and illegal and violations should be reported to the creator whenever possible or the publisher. |
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On Jul 15, 2014, Kingman wrote: The thing is that exposing an effect is not violating copyright. Not if you don't use for example the actual footage from a dvd. |
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Jmolomagic Veteran user Victorville 332 Posts |
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On Jul 15, 2014, 1tepa1 wrote: It's about ethics, integrity and honesty as a person and a magician. A lot of people lack these qualities and it's sad. |
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On Jul 15, 2014, Jmolomagic wrote: I don't know if it really is about ethics or honesty. I think the problem that people who reveal have is they are too honest. Magicians have different moral regarding mysteries and secrets than normal people. Normal people don't think it is a bad thing to show how tricks are done. Magicians get this moral that revealing is bad from other magicians. The guys who reveal either have never really seriously done magic so that they have adopted that exposure is bad and secrets are good or then they don't take magic too seriously and think that they are helping new people by introducing them to the craft. |
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
Let me ask this...
If these two guys put up a video tutorial of one of Harry Lorayne's tricks, let's say Numero Uno or Coincidentally Yours, which are two kick ass tricks, would you have a problem with it? If not, why? If so, why? Trini
Trini Montes
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Impressive_Alexander New user 12 Posts |
I hate it. And I use it.. I need pointers on my pass, I'll youtube it, cause it easy and free. We can all spot the amateurs but some videos have good advice. So in perpetuating "growth", in some magicians it CAN be a good source.
Our goal is to entertain thru mystery and the audience not knowing how an effect is done is crucial to our desired result. The underlying question is whether these guys are hurting our effects or not.. I say no. overall. We all have seen tons of bar bets but there's a pretty good chance that someone can show you one that you have seen before somewhere and still fool you. I think there's the answer. Just cause some kid, most likely (I think working adults have better uses of their time), saw a tutorial on ACR doesn't mean you still couldn't preform it for them and kill it. This comes down to showmanship and presentation. So even if some people know that there's a "string" making that card float doesn't mean that in that moment they can still feel the magic. And THAT moment is what we're talking about. The spectator should be so caught up in your patter and personality that they're dying to see the next phase or trick. Not consciously trying to remember once seeing a youtube video of it. So does it hurt us in the least, I don't think so. Magicians can fool magicians so we should have no trouble deceiving laymen. |
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TheMentalist314 New user 10 Posts |
If you want the easy way out then go look on their channels. But they do have some powerful tricks for beginners and they can also be a good starting point.
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Andy Young Special user Jersey Shore, PA 813 Posts |
I would be ****ed if they showed how to do Numero Uno. First off it is always in my set and would rather not have a handicap in them knowing. Secondly I fool magicians with it and I think they would be the ones looking because I never tell a name of my effects (card wise). Thirdly I spent good money to learn it.
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Jacob Sparks New user 24 Posts |
Most YouTube magicians revealing magic aren't good. However, this post was meant to specifically talk about Jarek 120 and 52 Kards. What do you think about them?
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
Ok so if you have a problem with s trick like Numero Uno being put up on YouTube, then how do you think Harry would feel? To add to that, Paul Cummins' trick "The Trick That Never Happened" is up on their youtube channel. How to you think Paul feels? I can tell you how Paul feels.... He feels disrespected. I am ok if basic sleights are put up, as long as proper credits are included (which there are some missing), for they can help those that are just starting out. But to put up Paul's effect just because he did not want anyone else to put it up is just WRONG, just like as if he put Lorayne's effects or anyone else for that matter without permission.
Best, Trini
Trini Montes
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