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daffydoug
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I understand that. However the prop is used to CREATE effects, so it’s kind of like splitting hairs, here.
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The temple screen is a prop and an effect. No need to argue just for the sake of arguing.
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On Aug 16, 2019, thomasR wrote:
The temple screen is a prop and an effect. No need to argue just for the sake of arguing.


I wasn't arguing. I was explaining a TECHNICAL term.

I suggest that you read, FITZKEE'S "The Trick Brain", published in 1945.

Fitzkee identifies and lists, 19 EFFECTS. The EFFECT is what the spectator perceives. (e.g.:production, vanish, transposition, transformation, levitation, animation, ETC, To date, no magician has been able to add even one EFFECT.

The Temple Screen, THE Merv Taylor Tambor, the Phantom Tube, are PROPS, THAT PRODUCE SOMETHING!
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On Aug 16, 2019, daffydoug wrote:
I understand that. However the prop is used to CREATE effects, so it’s kind of like splitting hairs, here.


No. The Templw Screen was made to "create" ONE EFFECT (PRODUCTION) Your effectS. (use of the plural (effectS) is incorrect. I'm not a "hair splitter"!

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Now you are limiting a prop to one effect? Why? You could do a production, a substitution, transformation, or a vanish with the Screens.
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For me, the Temple Screens are similar to a square circle... it's not an effect, it's a method. As such I agree that it can create a wide variety of effects. I would agree that the Tambor is a much more limited method, nut not the Temple Screens. Let's not be limited by the past. Creativity is reaching beyond self limiting restrictions to get more out of certain methods than those before us.
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Dick Oslund
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Now you are limiting a prop to one effect? Why? You could do a production, a substitutPRion, transformation, or a vanish with the Screens.


That's not what I said!
There are props, sometimes called "utility" props, which can "do" more than ONE "THING". (i.e.: create different effects.) A change bag (YUK) can PRODUCE, TRANSFORM, OR VANISH SOMETHING. Years ago, I realized that ONE HIPPITY HOP RABBIT could be used in a TRANSFORMATION, INSTEAD OF TRANSPOSITION. (Fraidy Cat Rabbit).A FOO CAN can PRODUCE OR VANISH LIQUID, (Two Foo Cans, can be used for a TRANSPOSITION.

I just think that, while I'm not a fan of Grant's TEMPLE SCREEN, it's better used for a PRODUCTION. (de gustibus non est disputandum)
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[quote]On Aug 17, 2019, Ray Pierce wrote:

For me, the Temple Screens are similar to a square circle... it's not an effect, it's a method. As such I agree that it can create a wide variety of effects. I would agree that the Tambor is a much more limited method, nut not the Temple Screg


No question Ray! The black art principle (method!) can be used in many effects (Remwmber "DOLINOFF AND THE RAYA SISTERS" It was a novelty acrobatic dance act, with Dolinoff (wearing black) helping the girls do "amazing moves"!

BTW...I used the TAMBOR for many years (after I had seen Harry B. do it in 1945! I considered it to be the BEST PRODUCTION PROPS EVER!!! (The load space almost equaled the inside of the drum!

I used the square circle as a teenager. It played stronger as a PRODUCTION, than a VANISH. I think that that was more the prop, than the principle! Remember, Harry Sr.'s "Dizzy Limit" (girl in the net.) Harry used black art to VANISH the "butterfly". I saw the show when the assistants hung the prop, backwards! Harry looked at it when the traveler opened, shook his head, and signaled for the traveler to closed. He came downstage, and, did a front cloth bit.
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My number one suggestion for pack small, play big is controversial, the mouth coil. I have been doing a mouth coil routine since Dick Stoner suggested it to me as a teen. It has never failed. I have had newspaper articles where that was the main picture and even did it on local TV for an improptu telethon appearance when another act was late. Many pros do a version including:

Jeff McBride (which he cleverly combines into a paper ball over heads routine):



Franz Harary:



Dick Stoner:



Robert Baxt, check out the WPR of his DVD:



Yes, I remain an unrepentent 35 year mouth coil user!

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FrankFindley thank you so much for posting the video of my mouth coil routine! The full routine with all the many, many, bits of business and the work on how I "blow" the coil out of my mouth that the Wizard Product Review guys gave 99% and the "Worker of the Week" award to, is available on my site at https://www.robertbaxt.com/mouthcoil-routine-dvd/
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While they don't pack flat - more like they pack in a small box or bag - Inflatable Christmas (and Halloween etc.) Arches can be used for one person appearances/disappearances to full blown multi-assistant extravaganzas.

Milbourne Christopher presented his version of the "Three Graces" by Servais Leroy, calling it the "Sidi Bou Saide" mystery in his 1960 show, "Christopher's Wonders" at the Maidman Theatre in New York City, using a Modern Cabinet Illusion as the central prop. I was there! I saw it as a teen! It is the same theme used in Doug Hennings' "Things That Go Bump in the Night" in which he used the Million Dollar Mystery as the central prop. Well, if you have the assistants, you can do the same thing with an Inflatable Arch from a small box that goes Bump on the Floor and opens up to produce the exact same illusion with a fraction of the cost. It is described in The Wizards' Journal #40 - https://www.magicnook.com/WizJournal/WJ-......Illusion .
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