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boboswitch
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Had a VERY well known busker make me feel very uncomfortable during their set. I'm going to assume that this is the exception rather than the rule. I also am going to assume that I would like this performer if I talked with him while not performing.
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Did he know you were a magician or was it just the standard making fun of a certain member of the audience thing and you happened to be it? I've heard that Gazzo is unbelievably nice when he's not performing, but boy is he an *** when he is. It's just a certain type of performing. The thing about busking is that someone who enjoys the show is worth more than someone who doesn't. If you can **** off 1 person, but in the process make 5 people enjoy the show more, it is worth it because those 5 people will donate and the person you ****ed off will just walk away. This is different than all other types of magic where a bad review or complaint will put you in the hot seat.
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Common Boboswitch , names please that way we will all be ready when he shows up

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It would be unfair to say the name but I guarantee that you all know who he is. I was in his audience and noticed that my young son was not beside me. I was near the front and started to leave -- to go look for my boy. The performer started to rag me and trying to explain was futile. He actually said that I had to pay to leave. I threw him some money and got out of there. See why I am hesitant to tell you who he is? I did find my son within moments but did not return to the show.
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Don't take it too personally. performer was just responding to the situation: an audience member was leaving during his show. look at it from his shoes: you were near the front and started to leave. from a crow building standpoint, as a performer is sucks when someone at the front walks out. it tells others that they can do the same. so if you work at building your edge and people start to leave, its affecting how you earn a living. I'm sure he knew you would not come back, but he had to make a point to get a laugh out of it. also he controlled his edge by letting others know if they try to leave, he will make a joke of it.

don't take it seriously.

street shows absolutely cannot be candy games and fizzle pop. they need to make people feel uneasy at times. pushing everyone to their limits is what makes a good show great. magic shows that are too kidd friendly are, sorry fellas, boring. adults need their release as well.
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On Jul 25, 2014, boboswitch wrote:
I guarantee that you all know who he is. // See why I am hesitant to tell you who he is?


Is this a game show?
Meet you in Busker Alley Smile
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Boboswich its a show and things are ment to be fun buthen your child is missing nothing is fun so need to cut performer a break because he is in show mode. You found your son that is all that matters. Smileandnod, Gazzo is a nice when performing and when not performing. Watch how much he smiles in a show. Gazzo builds his crowd with people who get his humor just as if you go see Chris Rock you know what type of humor you are going to get. So if you don't enjoy Gazzo's humor you will not stay and watch that is one of reasons why video of his show doesn't work near as well as Gazzo live ( just my opinion). Nick W very well explained by a working pro
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I am very glad that I posted here. I very much have a different perspective now. Thanks Nick W and fireperformer911 for gently educating me in a topic where I am unfamiliar. I get it much better now. I appreciate you taking the time to help me see the situation from a different point of view. Your constructive comments are well taken. Again, thank you.
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I'm sorry. I didn't know you were so worried about your son. It was impolite of me to put my show ahead of your parental instincts like that. I wish I had listened to what you were saying instead of staying in "performer mode." Sometimes it's easier for me to be aggressive instead of human. I'll work on it and I'm glad you said something.
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I don't get this. It doesn't matter WHY he wanted/needed to leave. I don't think you should harass a member of your audience. Oh well, that's why you're a professional and I'm just a weekend warrior.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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I agree with you ed! I street perform regularly, you're in a public place, the public has the right to stay or leave as they please. I don't "sweat" it or question
it. And I certainly wouldn't call them out for it.
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As a street performer if their is a distraction in your show in most cases you should, you must acknowledge that distraction and bring the focus back into your show. If this is what you do for a living then a walk of at the wrong moment can be a costly distraction. Now we can debate ways and their are a number of ways of doing that, it does not have to be an insult or a put down but to do or say nothing is bad practice.
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I'll grant you that. AND I'll grant that doing so WITHOUT making negative remarks about the person leaving is far harder than just ripping the guy up. But I still think the rip is wrong.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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Their are rips and then their are rips,
Using a stock line as an example "I did not leave when you got hear sir" Is both funny (when timed well) and none insulting as far as I am concerned.
Just as somone walking through your show wearing a bright shirt. Nice Shirt sir (pause...) It reminds me on me tea towel. A bit closer to the bone? Perhaps but its not insulting if your dealing with grown up.
You also got to bare in mind this may be a cultural and pitch differences. So the above one linner may still seem insulting or upsetting to another.

The truth is some pitches have real tough but good audiences, audiences that are out to test you and if you are not loded with come back lines or physical theater reaction, your show will get torn apart and you will die on your feet. As granted Thank you, it is harder to do that WITHOUT making negative remarks.

So I being a family street entertainer like to see hear (and I think it would be more constructive) is not what you think it wroung but some examples, addvise on how you go about dealing with this?? I have shared thoughts on this on other posts I will add some more to this thread if their is more interest but I love to hear some working idea's not just ideals please.
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I think it also depends where you are in your show when audience member leaves if you address it and how. If at beginning of show audience is not with you address it with kitten gloves . Tell mom I said hello. If in middle and you have large audience I tend to not say anything and make sure it doesn't happen in a lot of my shows because its problem in my show. If smaller audience in middle of my show and audience is with me might say. Was it something I said. Most times I say nothing and get focus on getting attention back on my show. If during hat line I don't address it at all. I think you don't want any negativity . Every pitch is different, Every performer character is different just have to figure out what works for you on the pitch you are working
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Great addvise Shell thanks for sharing.
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Back when I was growing up, if you told a Polish, Irish or Italian joke, everybody laughed. Everyone had a sense of humor and were able to poke fun at themselves and each other.

Today, skin is thinner. It's funny if it's someone else. But if the joke is directed at you, or your "group", whatever that may be, then it no longer is funny. EVERYTHING else is still funny, but the stuff at you is not.
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Back when I was growing up I use to hang out with Gino who was Italian and Eric who black and together we use to run or get the crap beat out of just because we had diffrent names and because we had foreign mothers mine being Spanish, Eric just because he was black! I do understand a joke is a joke as in Rome they say 1, 11, 111

But you got agree racial joke is racial abuse and its hear you must draw the line?
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Okay, I started with ethnic jokes, but I mean jokes in the broadest sense.

If you tell a joke about a blind person, it's funny unless you're blind.
Same thing goes for jokes about waiter/waitresses, construction people, bikers, bakers, and magicians.
It's funny as long as it isn't about you. Where do we draw the line?
Do we stop telling jokes?
Do we stop TRYING to be funny because we really aren't, we're just being cruel and abusive?
by EVILDAN....
"The Coin Board Book" - moves and routines with the coin panel board. - http://www.lybrary.com/the-coin-board-book-p-827955.html
"SLASHER - A Horror Whodunnit" - a bizarre close-up routine based on Bob Neale's "Sole Survivor."
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"Zombie Town" - a packet effect about how a small town turned into zombies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJhcoJtyOM
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By the way, I'm not trying to get into a p*$$ing contest about this topic.

I just think it's hypocritical when you can laugh at everything else except about what pertains to you.
Everyone is different. There are different thresholds of funny depending on who you are and where you are and what situation you are in.
Something funny in one situation can be offensive to someone in the very same situation.
Likewise, something funny in one situation can be offensive to the same person in a very different situation.

So what do we do? Can we do anything? Are there standards to set? I don't think so. Offensive or not, I think creative, artistic license should allow one to do whatever you want provided it's within the law.

It's up to your audience to decide whether they will support you or not. So, if you're making a good paycheck, you'll keep doing what you're doing. If it starts to drop, you will most likely change to survive - or become a starving artist.

But I'm a Libra - so naturally I see both sides of an issue.
by EVILDAN....
"The Coin Board Book" - moves and routines with the coin panel board. - http://www.lybrary.com/the-coin-board-book-p-827955.html
"SLASHER - A Horror Whodunnit" - a bizarre close-up routine based on Bob Neale's "Sole Survivor."
PM me for more info.
"Zombie Town" - a packet effect about how a small town turned into zombies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJhcoJtyOM
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