The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The side walk shuffle » » Uncomfortable encounter (10 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2
silvercup
View Profile
Loyal user
223 Posts

Profile of silvercup
Quote:
On Aug 11, 2014, Mario Morris wrote:


But you got agree racial joke is racial abuse and its hear you must draw the line?


Rickles would surely disagree...as do I.
Mario Morris
View Profile
Inner circle
Mario Morris
2044 Posts

Profile of Mario Morris
Quote:
On Aug 12, 2014, EVILDAN wrote:
By the way, I'm not trying to get into a p*$$ing contest about this topic.

I just think it's hypocritical when you can laugh at everything else except about what pertains to you.
Everyone is different. There are different thresholds of funny depending on who you are and where you are and what situation you are in.
Something funny in one situation can be offensive to someone in the very same situation.
Likewise, something funny in one situation can be offensive to the same person in a very different situation.

So what do we do? Can we do anything? Are there standards to set? I don't think so. Offensive or not, I think creative, artistic license should allow one to do whatever you want provided it's within the law.

It's up to your audience to decide whether they will support you or not. So, if you're making a good paycheck, you'll keep doing what you're doing. If it starts to drop, you will most likely change to survive - or become a starving artist.

But I'm a Libra - so naturally I see both sides of an issue.


Great thoughts I agree with you.
Stperformer
View Profile
Loyal user
289 Posts

Profile of Stperformer
-When some one in the crowd (front edge) leaves the show.....it can be very infectious...and result in many more leaving.

-When someone/bodies refuses to move in/ come closer it also causes others to stay away.

-When someone refuses to participate...pick a card, lend you a bill....then you will suddenly find it very difficult to get someone else to participate/ sign & lend a bill.

All the above can kill a show.
Sometimes, as a matter of survival, the performer has to take control. There's different ways of doing this, often charm & humour will work...but not always.

Recently I was watching a mate of mine build/gather/work a large crowd in which there were many people refusing to move/come in. He politely asked them to please come in & when they refused he rather aggressively told the stragglers to bugger off as they were wasting their and his time. Yes he lost a number of people but he retained control of the crowd and when all was finished....had a very very large crowd with a very very large hat.

I must admit it worked ...he sacrificed a few.....but he was able to gain control over a crowd on a rather tough pitch and hat better than 99%.

Understand I'm not taking sides.....but I find the whole topic (maintaining control over the crowd, getting the audience to co-operate) being discussed here quite interesting. How reliant you are on your hat $$$, may also be a factor? Smile
fireperformer911
View Profile
Special user
547 Posts

Profile of fireperformer911
Here is the balance I am still trying to find. Would like other workers input. You got that one guy who won't move up you know he is messing up your edge. If you too hard on him you will take your audience and your energy to negative place. I known I should just move on with my show and do but my brain is going that f*****g guy when I should be consentrating on my volunteers not that one guy. What is balance? My new saying is my job is just to do my show.
Mario Morris
View Profile
Inner circle
Mario Morris
2044 Posts

Profile of Mario Morris
Deepends on where you are in your show, one thing you can do is call your edge in hence blocking his view then push them out again.
Does that make sence or do you want me to unpack it more.
fireperformer911
View Profile
Special user
547 Posts

Profile of fireperformer911
Mario makes perfect since I attend The Busking School blatant plug for you.

I know to do this method and others but all that time, energy and mental focus spent moving around your crowd for one Jerk audience member. Is that time, energy and mental focus maybe spent better on your show and audience members who are GOOD?

In one show this season I ask a few people to move up they did even this one guys girlfriend. The guy stood right where he was at and it did cause a pocket in crowd later in the show I paused my show to say this gap here that I told you would happen is your fault. This was a victory to me but at what expense was this victory, because I was thinking of this one jerk. This pocket in audience did not hurt my hat.
ROBERT BLAKE
View Profile
Inner circle
1472 Posts

Profile of ROBERT BLAKE
You are showing who is boss. you know what you do and you lead the people through your show. if somebody does not listen others have to wait. but you show that you are a leader and that you take care of your show and people. GoAL: the best show of thier life.
G.Gilbert
View Profile
Elite user
baltimore
495 Posts

Profile of G.Gilbert
Quote:
On Jul 25, 2014, SmileAndNod wrote:
I've heard that Gazzo is unbelievably nice when he's not performing


You most certainly did not hear this from me.
G.Gilbert
View Profile
Elite user
baltimore
495 Posts

Profile of G.Gilbert
And if a performer would have done this on the pitch that I work, I assure you he would not be working the pitch again... We keep shows family friendly round here, and do not disrespect our audience under any circumstance.
Mario Morris
View Profile
Inner circle
Mario Morris
2044 Posts

Profile of Mario Morris
Sorry Gerorge I find that hard to follow can you give an example of what your talking about?
EVILDAN
View Profile
Inner circle
1259 Posts

Profile of EVILDAN
I agree with Mario, move the crowd in front of the guy.

I work town festivals where I stroll, set up and perform, so my performing space/spot is pretty fluid.

About 2 years ago, I was building my edge and had a couple that didn't want to move, from where they planted themselves. They were on my left side wouldn't come closer. They wouldn't move a little to either side. They looked pretty rough with sleeveless denim vests and hiding behind dark sunglasses so people didn't want to move in front of them. So, I starting playing a little "do what I do." I patted my head with my right hand. The crowd followed suit, except the couple which is what I was hoping for. I rubbed my belly with my left hand and the crowd did the same. I said, "You know what is going to happen next, right? But first this. Turn to your left. Take one step forward. Stop." This effectively put the stubborn couple to the extreme left of me. If they turned left, they would find that they were now at the very back of the crowd. Saying nothing, I moved my table and gear to the front of the newly situated crowd and started the show. The couple left.

Another time my wife and I were performing at an event in a bar. Strange event. Set up like a carnival where people can roam and see different performers. Later in the evening there was a burlesque show. They only thing is that it wasn't promoted well, and likewise wasn't well attended. So we did maybe 3 or 4 sets that night. Sometimes to only two people. At the end of the night, people started gathering towards the back area where we were. I told them to step right up because our last show was about to start and everyone gravitated to the safety of the walls. In a moment of frustration and inspiration I said, "Alright ladies and gentleman, if you want to see the show, you need to form a crowd right here. If you want to stand back there by the walls, that's fine too. We just won't do the show. Because frankly, I don't care if you see the show or not. So it's up to you." I then turned my back to them and walked back to my table and my wife. As I turned around, everyone came close to see the show.
by EVILDAN....
"The Coin Board Book" - moves and routines with the coin panel board. - http://www.lybrary.com/the-coin-board-book-p-827955.html
"SLASHER - A Horror Whodunnit" - a bizarre close-up routine based on Bob Neale's "Sole Survivor."
PM me for more info.
"Zombie Town" - a packet effect about how a small town turned into zombies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJhcoJtyOM
Yellowcustard
View Profile
Inner circle
New Zealand
1310 Posts

Profile of Yellowcustard
Quote:
On Aug 10, 2014, Mario Morris wrote:
As a street performer if their is a distraction in your show in most cases you should, you must acknowledge that distraction and bring the focus back into your show. If this is what you do for a living then a walk of at the wrong moment can be a costly distraction. Now we can debate ways and their are a number of ways of doing that, it does not have to be an insult or a put down but to do or say nothing is bad practice.


my first thoughts pretty much carry with what Mario said.

We have to use our tools wisely I have seen a few buskers which I feel are to strong. I have also seen one guy use all the stock put downs on a crowd that were perfectly fine. I have also heard pepoel say lets go be fore he picks on us.

It is a tricky field on using joke about ethnic groups or types of people. I like to fire the humor at me first then put out a few comments at the audience as a whole or a small group then if needed a few shoots at individuals.

Something that happened to me once was a show was going well and the crowd loved a one liner and dum jokes. Towards the end of the show a few more people joint so I thought id stretch the show more. So I did a few jokes about Dyslexia. At the end a women came up and told me my jokes about Dyslexia were wrong and unnecessary. I asked if she had Dyslexia. She said no and that's not the point, she knows many pepoel that are and my joke are helping no one. She then walked off. I feel she forgot to ask one thing and that is ask me if I have Dyslexia?
Enjoy your magic,

and let others enjoy it as well!
EVILDAN
View Profile
Inner circle
1259 Posts

Profile of EVILDAN
There is a built in mentality that people will get picked on or made fun of if they are brought on stage. I believe that's why people tend to hang in the back rather than get the best "seats" right up front.

I talked to the manager of the restaurant that we perform our show at. She said that a lot of people told her that they won't go to comedy nights because they don't want to get picked on by the comedians.

That being said, we never do anything to make fun of or embarass our audience. The only time we bite is if we have people that want to disrupt the show. At the beginning of our show we do an effect where we need 5 people to help out. They are chosen one at a time. After the first person is done, they see that it's just a fun time and we don't have a problem getting people to help out during the rest of the show.

Also, people talk about getting a crowd while busking. I usually get one or two people to stop and show them a card trick. It's a trick where they sign a card and I find it. As they are signing I draw more people in by saying, "Come here, watch this. This person just picked a card, they're signing it and in a few moments something really amazing is going to happen." It's easier to draw these people in because they are safe, they aren't going to be picked for anything right now. I do this at all stages of the trick. By the time I'm done, I have a nice crowd, they see that I didn't insult the person helping me out, AND they walk away with a special souvenir from the show. Win-win.

I'm a big fan of Gazzo. I like what he does. But I'm not Gazzo. I have to take the EvilDan approach.
by EVILDAN....
"The Coin Board Book" - moves and routines with the coin panel board. - http://www.lybrary.com/the-coin-board-book-p-827955.html
"SLASHER - A Horror Whodunnit" - a bizarre close-up routine based on Bob Neale's "Sole Survivor."
PM me for more info.
"Zombie Town" - a packet effect about how a small town turned into zombies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJhcoJtyOM
ringmaster
View Profile
Inner circle
Memphis, Down in Dixie
1718 Posts

Profile of ringmaster
First:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/joa......ick=feed
Now Mr. Boboswitch, you're not a pro, or at least not a well read one. By causing a disturbance, and worse trying to engage a performer in conversation you are endangering that man's source of income. It the same as the guy who pulls out a deck of cards to show Jim Ryann a trick. He responded the way the books say to. It was not an attack on your personality. Take Joan Rivers' advise; grow up. I noted two other non professionals in the audience, stick around guys, you might learn somethin'.
Less than 2% of reported UFO's turn out to be actual interplanetary vehicles.
G.Gilbert
View Profile
Elite user
baltimore
495 Posts

Profile of G.Gilbert
You guys are all wrong and, boboswitch, you're absolutely right...

You don't have to verbally abuse anybody for leaving to get the audience to stay.

If you have a good crowd, and you are good, they will stay... Simple as that...

Bashing somebody for leaving is basically saying "I NEED you here, please don't leave, pleeeeeease, I'm not confident in my abilities to entertain, and I'm afraid people will follow you" ....

The sense of entitlement wanna b performers have is beyond me!!!!

The performer might lose his income??? LOL, We're street performers... Nobody OWES us a dime... Secondly, the guy who is leaving might lose his kid.....

What is really important here....


Seriously guys.....

What are you thinking?
Mario Morris
View Profile
Inner circle
Mario Morris
2044 Posts

Profile of Mario Morris
I agree with you in part that is it does not need to be insulting. As for the rest of what you said I could not respectfully disagree with you more. Dealing with walk offs is a skill to be learned. It takes years to get it wright and I am still working on it. You cant master audience control you just get better at it. You don't have to bash any one but its more like playing your audience like a symphony if you work it right your audience will love you for it. This could include the person walking off, no reason at all why it can not. Often I have made the person walking off laugh together with my audience. It does not even have to be funny it can be just an acknowledgement of your understanding of their time, "I understand sir you have to go but if you have time latter perhaps you can come back and watch the rest of the show." It all depends on the perfromer.

For any one who like to learn in a green house enviroment the Focus on street performing is coming up in October hear we will unpack a lot of busking insights we have VIP guests visiting as well as Jeff McBride, Chris Cromartie Grndl and mor will be their which brings together a melting pot of idea, experiences and magic.
http://www.magicalwisdom.com/events
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The side walk shuffle » » Uncomfortable encounter (10 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2020 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.2 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL