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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Living in GA for most of life and having lived in upstate New York when I was a kid, plus my wife being a Vermonter, I can definately say, it's much easier to start a business down South here in GA than it is in upstate New York or Vermont. A lot of people are pretty smart and well educated in New York and Vermont, yet it still seems all the economic opportunity is down South and it's really hard to get ahead in upstate New York or Vermont. Cost of living is so much higher up there too, plus the snow adds an additional cost on top of an already high cost of living up there. I found this article here:
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America prides itself on attracting the best and brightest. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/top-best-......997.html It's really hard to get ahead and start a business in upstate New York or Vermont but it's so much easier in GA. GA happens to rank first according to this article when it comes to economic opportunity and prosperity as well as business friendliness. Here is a quote from the article as well: Quote:
ccording to CNBC, the top states for business are, in this order, Georgia, Texas, Utah, Nebraska and North Carolina. But in the education category, only Nebraska cracks the top half of the country, in 19th place. As for the others, here are their education rankings: It's a good thing you don't have to be super smart to be successful and it seems many smart and well educated people live in poverty. I see a lot of smart people up in Vermont and upstate New York who live in some serious poverty. They struggle quite a bit up there and it kinda makes you scratch your head and makes you wonder how is it that such smart people struggle so much with poverty?
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Or does the study say, ignorant people will spend their money on anything you put in front of them?
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
I've been up North and been down South as a military brat. It's a whole lot more easier to get ahead down South, especially if you start a business. It's much more difficult to get a business off the ground up North, plus the cost of living is much higher. Far cheaper down South and you don't have the additional cost of winter to contend with. It's like everybody is smart and community oriented up North but live in poverty but down here things tend to be more atomized, not quite as open minded and not quite as community oriented yet you can get ahead. Their is a trade off you have to take wherever you choose to live. I've met a few transplants down here from New York and they have chosen to stay because they started their own Italian restaurants and are prospering, though they do miss New York. Finances and the ability to get ahead keeps them down here. The South has a lot of great businessmen like Ted Turner for example and I enjoy business. Georgia and the City of Atlanta are both very business oriented and business friendly. Atlanta has plenty of opportunity.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
GM, here's what I noticed from the data.
The top 10 educated states have an average quality of life measurement of 16.4. The bottom 10 educated states have an average quality of life measurement of 31.4. (Lower is better.) The top 10 states with the lowest cost of doing business have an average quality of life measurement of 31.5. The 10 with the highest cost of doing business are at 16.6. (Again, lower is better.) YMMV, but all things considered I would rather live in a state where the quality of life is higher, not lower.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
But there's more poverty,higher rates of uninsured people and a higher percentage of federal taxes goes to the southern states. .
What may be good for business is not neccesarily good for Humans. Are those states actually are better for business? That's highly debatable. |
MobilityBundle Regular user Las Vegas/Boston 120 Posts |
"Best for business" huh? I'm not sure how one would even go about measuring that. The article mentions cost of living, infrastructure, and workforce. Those a certainly important factors, but it seems like only half the picture. What about the output side of the equation? For example, if I want to open a restaurant either in NYC or Alabama, clearly Alabama has a dramatically lower cost of living. And let's assume that for my purposes, the infrastructure and workforce are comparable.
The cost of living disparity cuts both ways. In NYC, I can charge $25 for a dish that maybe I can only charge $10 for in Alabama. What's not clear is how that translates into profit margins. That's why those three factors (when taken alone) are kind of stupid. Maybe a better approach is to go empirically. From an empirical point of view, the state that's "best for business" might be the state with the highest per capita GDP. That list is here. There are some surprises on that list, at least for me. For example, North Dakota (#3) and Wyoming (#5) come ahead of New York (#7). As for CNBC's rankings, they ranked these four states as best for business (in descending order), which have the following per-capita GDP rankings in parentheses: Georgia (#33) Texas (#14) North Carolina (#27) Utah (#30) Here are CNBC's best educated states, with per-capita GDP rankings: New York (#7) Vermont (#32) Massachusetts (#6) New Jersey (#8) Connecticut (#4) Hmmm. |
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Ease of starting a business does not equal prosperity.
Having a business does not equal success. This was a fluff piece of reporting, and a poorly constructed study. The states pointed out as being best for business also have some of the highest per capita incarceration rates. Perhaps CNBC's next headline will be "States with most prisoners start most businesses"
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Those states also have some of the highest per capita poverty rates and some of the lowest wages.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Starting which business exactly? Gotta love sweeping generalizations. Avoid the need to do the heavy lifting of thinking.
I think I will sit this one out. My donkey and I can be found at the windmill. Though I suspect it will be relatively crowded soon so get there early for a good spot.
Danny Doyle
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On Jul 25, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: I thought you loved the South Danny. Why all the sudden the different tune? I thought you would agree with me. Speaking of personal experience of living in both North and South and having a spouse who is from the North, I will say the quality of life is better up North IF you can afford the higher cost of living. But the parts of the North that I really enjoy that has a high quality of living also seem to lack economic opportunity and the higher cost of living up North makes it more difficult to get the start up capital to start a business. You don't have to have a lot of start up capital to start a business, but the higher cost of living makes it more difficult. Plus,the winters cost more money to live and you have to repair and possibly replace your vehicle far more often because the salt on the roads used during the winters up there add additional wear and tear on your vehicle. That can get expensive fast. South is not so bad. It's not perfect and their are some cool things about the North that don't exist down South but their are also some things I love about the South that don't exist up North. To me, it's much easier to get a business going down South and that's important to me because I enjoy being my own boss and serving others on my own terms doing what I enjoy. I think it's much different being a business owner as opposed to being a w-2 employee. I will also say that people up North, generally speaking (and I know somebody is going to say I shouldn't generalize) seem to have longer job longevity. A few folks I spoke with that are from the North and then moved down South and worked down South, went from job to job more down South as opposed to up North where up North, they would stay with the same employer for an extended period of time. That's why, in my view, I think the South is a great place if you wish to start, own and operate your own business. However, if you wish to work for somebody else, you might be better off up North, though again, it's no guarantee. I know like the UPS firing that happened up in New York and then the workers revolted and the fired workers got their jobs back would have never happened down South. So, places like New York and Vermont tend to be more people oriented, but anti-business as well, which does harm economic opportunity but you do have happier people and many who are smart, educated but living in poverty. I like the people atmosphere up North, but I also enjoy owning my own business, being my own boss and having the ability to get ahead too. That's more difficult to do up North from my experience of both places.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
And here I was wasting all of my time doing shows in LA and New York.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Quite for me where I said I changed my mind about the south.
Danny Doyle
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I live in the Midlands. We're not too stupid and we're not too bright, to be a Gamma is to be just right.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Of course I mean "quote" not "quite" like auto correct seems to think.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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