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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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magicfish Inner circle 7002 Posts |
Awesome tool.
I found it interesting that the tool was an actual boner and yet the voice in the ad repeatedly called it a de-boner. To bone means to remove the bones. To De-bone means to put the bones back in. |
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Vegas Magician New user 4 Posts |
Awesome !
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
The wonder boner: "My wife would like that!"
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Jul 30, 2014, magicfish wrote: Not true. Both "bone" and "debone," as verbs, both mean the same thing- removing the bones. From Merriam Webster: de·bone dēˈbōn/ verb verb: debone; 3rd person present: debones; past tense: deboned; past participle: deboned; gerund or present participle: deboning; verb: de-bone; 3rd person present: de-bones; past tense: de-boned; past participle: de-boned; gerund or present participle: de-boning remove the bones from (meat, poultry, or fish), especially before cooking. bone bōn/ verb verb: bone; 3rd person present: bones; past tense: boned; past participle: boned; gerund or present participle: boning 1. remove the bones from (meat or fish). "while the gumbo is simmering, bone the cooked chicken" I can't imagine anyone putting the bones back in, but if the did, I guess that would be called "reboning.":eek: |
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magicfish Inner circle 7002 Posts |
I'm an Oxford man myself. Not big on the Webster's.
What I'm bigger on is experience. My father has been a butcher for almost 60 years. I'm currently wearing his 40 year watch. And in that time he has worked with hundreds of equally experienced butchers in 2 different countries. He, and they, have been boning out meat collectively for hundreds of years on both sides of the Atlantic. And he, nor they, have ever de-boned anything. With all due respect, Bob, I'll go with the experts on this one- and I don't mean Websters, nor the Oxford for that matter. (They never de-thawed anything either) Ps. I cut meat for 10 years, my mother was a meat clerk/wrapper for 25 years and my sister is a meat wrapper/clerk 27 years. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Ah, but do they un-thaw it?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jul 31, 2014, magicfish wrote: If none of them has ever done it, why do they have a word for it?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
Here is a clip from the incomparable Doug Walker ("The Nostalgia Critic") on commercials. This clip is from the end of the actual video and deals with the "Johnson" and the "Wuder Boner."
And if you want to see the entire video, it's on his website; http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videoli......mercials This is the second of three clips on commercials.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Jul 31, 2014, magicfish wrote: Sorry. I'll go with accepted use of the English language. Please supply ANY source that supports your statement that "deboning" means putting bones back in. I'll save you the trouble. There are none. Boning and deboning both mean the same thing. If butchers prefer to just use the word "boning," it has nothing to do with the fact that "deboning" also means removing the bones. Ask any chef. And I had plenty of THOSE in my family. Just for interest- should we advise the government on this side of the Atlantic that they don't know what deboning is? Quote:
After a chicken has been eviscerated and cleaned, it is prepared for packaging as a whole bird, or it may enter one of two processes: 1) the cutting process for preparation of a bone-in product, or 2) the cutting and deboning process for preparation of bone-out products. https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/poultry......ing.html (I can't believe I'm even in this ridiculous argument. ) |
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magicfish Inner circle 7002 Posts |
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On Jul 31, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: You mean the butchers? They do have a word for it. Boning. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7002 Posts |
I cant believe it either.
Debone is a misnomer that made its way into the language and subsequently into modern dictionaries like hundreds of other non words. I just found the word unthaw in 6 online dictionaries. Unthaw would mean to freeze. And no theres no source for that. Just as there is no source that shows debone yo mean replacing bones. I thought my point was obvious but I guess not. And I agree, its ridiculous. Deboning is incorrect. Boning is correct. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
Besides, you're the one who said "deboning" means putting the bones back in. Where did you get that idea from? Like I said, if there was such a thing, I imagine it would be called "reboning." I think that tonight, though, I'll do a little reboning myself. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7002 Posts |
Bob, youre not getting it. To thaw means to 'unfreeze'
To dethaw would mean to freeze (cuz its the opposite. Even though it doesn't really mean that cuz theres no such word) Just like Boning means to remove bones. To debone would mean to puttem back in ! Of course it doesn't actually mean that because there is no such word. There isn't a butcher worth his salt that wouldnt shudder at the nonword, debone. Usage of the term debone betrays ones lack of knowledge of the trade. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You don't get it. The prefix "de" doesn't always mean the same thing. For example, does "declaw" mean to remove a cat's claws or to put them back?
A word that has a specific meaning in a specialized industry or profession is called a "term of art." The existence of such words does not negate their common meaning. So what does "declaw" mean? Or how about "decapitate?" Does that mean REMOVING someone's head or putting it back? I eagerly await your answer. Keep in mind that my undergraduate degree is in English. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
LOL. Language is a living thing. Use determines meaning. Even regionally.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On Jul 31, 2014, magicfish wrote: You mean like cuz?
~michael baker
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Jul 31, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Exactly. And when words become widely used they become legitimate words in the language, whether or not they were always considered "correct." If that wasn't the case we'd still be speaking Olde English. (And putting an "e" on "old.") The first known use of "debone" was in 1944. Seventy years ago. So I guess the butchers in your family are just really old school. |
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3222 Posts |
The nomenclature of a trade is not an argument for the correctness of a word. Often, a trade has fewer people than the masses who use an alternate term.
"Debone", is a valid word and it's been around for a long time. I've heard both "bone" and "debone" when I was growing up, and I learned they mean the same thing. I just did a web search, and I found cooks using both "bone" and "debone" to mean removing the bones from fish or meat. Fat chance that the English language will ever be consistent, or should I write "slim chance"? There is no arguing with the Merriam Webster dictionary, because to become a defined word in that dictionary, the word has to be proven to be in common use - and there is considerable research done before a definition for a word is added to that dictionary. As one editor of that dictionary said, (paraphrased) "I do not make definitions, I collect them". Partially for that reason, the Merriam Webster dictionary is the official dictionary recognized by courts of law in the United States. Also consider this. "Hydrate" means to add water. The word "dehydrate" means to remove water. So, if anything, the word "bone" would mean to add the bones back if the English language was logical. By the way, very few of the people who cut meat butcher animals. I'm not arguing that "butcher" is a wrong term though, because common usage of the term "butcher", as documented in the Merriam Webster dictionary, makes it clear who to call a "butcher". The dictionary is the way to settle such arguments, not logic or common sense. If the English language made sense, we wouldn't drive on a parkway and park in a driveway! (A nod to Richard Lederer for that last phrase). Update: I have to learn to write shorter posts. 6 other posts were made while I typed this one!
Humans make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to create boredom. Quite astonishing.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On Jul 31, 2014, Bill Hallahan wrote: True. We magicians use the word silk in a manner that makes us look like idiots to the rest of humanity.
~michael baker
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