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evbromfi
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Abra Kadabra, Alakazam, Now I'm stuck talking to the man.

Can you busk in Wildwood New Jersey? Nope. I got shut down right when I was about to pass my second hat of the day. I'm posting this here because I asked a lot of people and spent some time researching before I went for a quick vacation, but couldn't find anything. Hopefully the information is out now so no one else misuses their time.

No citation, or anything though apparently jail time was on the table.

The officers said I needed a vending permit (though the ACLU and existing case law would probably disagree) and I believe I remember seeing those costing $350. Feel free to jump in if you know better.

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That's a bummer. NJ, yuck. vending permits are for people selling. your not selling anything. check the local law to make sure you know your position. we are guaranteed the right to free public assembly. were you blocking natural flow of traffic?
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If it were me, I'd visit City Hall and talk to the City Clerk. It is my experience they are the most knowledgeable person in government and will be familiar with all the city's ordinance. They generally tend to be friendly also.

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What exactly were you vending according to the police, the experience?
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I'm pretty well informed of my rights and the different national precedents for busking in the United States. It basically boiled down to the fact that I was only there for one more day and it wasn't worth my time to argue (and it was a weekend so city hall was closed).

I wasn't blocking traffic, my show isn't miced, and I wasn't even in front of any businesses.

They considered vending any form of asking for money, which is obviously not true, but again it wasn't worth the trouble of fighting a ticket. They said even just having a hat on the ground was vending, though they didn't stop my show until I dropped my last hat lines. Shame too, there was a lot of cash in hand.

It is what it is and life goes on. The only point I tried to make to them was that they should make the information more available so as not to waste their time chasing buskers off in the future (but really so as not to waste our time going out there). Wildwood is pretty sterile anyways, thankful it's not my home pitch.
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Unfortunately from other postings, it's not only the town/city/village laws...but individual police officers' knowledge and interpretation of the laws. The local laws may well allow busking, but the officer isn't clear on the point and will ask you to move along.

As my grandfather taught me, never argue with folks who sign your paycheck, cook your food, or carry weapons.
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Yeah, best not to argue. especially if your there for one day. all they have to do is dig up a crime committed 10 years ago in which the criminal vaguely matches your description, then lock you up for a week until they decide to drop charges. ruin your whole day they will.
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On Aug 1, 2014, imgic wrote:
Unfortunately from other postings, it's not only the town/city/village laws...but individual police officers' knowledge and interpretation of the laws. The local laws may well allow busking, but the officer isn't clear on the point and will ask you to move along.

As my grandfather taught me, never argue with folks who sign your paycheck, cook your food, or carry weapons.


Your grandfather gave good advice.

I carry printouts of the laws in NYC and they've been helpful at times. To be fair to the police the laws are overly specific on one hand, and vague on the other. From their viewpoint what we do disturbs the status quo, the normal flow of the spot. Telling us to stop/move on is the simplest way for them to restore it.
I've found that it's the personality of the particular officer that matters the most. If they're easy going they're likely to listen to you, if they even approach you in the first place. If they are the more rigid type then you're moving.
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When you're working a pitch at a regular spot it's not a bad idea to have at least a nodding acquaintance with security guys, I reckon. Get to know their names, maybe. Over a period of time you can become accepted as 'o.k.' to them.

A by-law restricting busking may exist in print, but the crunch for buskers is the extent to which it gets applied by authority figures.
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