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I have always loved Magic Smith's products and Chris Smith's customer service is just top notch. I use ignition and departure all the time for my shows and they never crease to disappoint both the spectators and even myself.

Here's a new release and it looks amazing.
http://www.magicsmith.com/masox.html

What's even more amazing is that it's SELF-CONTAINED.

From the video, I believe this works as a principle of a super sharpie. (Just a guess!) For those that know how super sharpie works I think you'll find this pretty ingenious!
And for ink transport spectator hands, I've always find it an issue to keep the "stamp" inked up and ready to go, and pocket management can be a little annoying especially when you don't want ink all over the insides of your pockets, looks like this is going to solve everything!

Anyone got this yet and care to give a review? Thanks!
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Looks nice but I don't think anyone has purchased it yet . The part that appears on the hand is the one I like the most .

But still , the prie puts me off a lot . SM sharpie is cheaper . Although they have differences . But if you say the method might be using some kind of mini stamp , then I might a well make a custom mini cross stamp from a bookstore for less than 10 bucks and attach it to my SM sharpie . How about that ?

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I took the plunge without any reviews which is something I usually never do. But I guess it's my turn to take one for the team.

I love this type of effect and if it's truly a self-contained unit I'll be very happy with it. I'll let you know.
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Looks nice but I don't think anyone has purchased it yet . The part that appears on the hand is the one I like the most .

But still , the prie puts me off a lot . SM sharpie is cheaper . Although they have differences . But if you say the method might be using some kind of mini stamp , then I might a well make a custom mini cross stamp from a bookstore for less than 10 bucks and attach it to my SM sharpie . How about that ?

:)


Anyway hi Hong Yu.

Custom X stamp from bookstore?

Let me ask you a few questions, in the point of a working environment.
- How are you going to STORE that cross stamp? In 1 pocket? Pocket space is invaluable for a working magician.
- How are you going to make sure that the X stamp is always wet and INKED and ready to imprint on the spectator's hand? Are you going to store it in some ziplock bag to keep it from drying up, and risk making a mess out of your pocket?
- Attach it to the SM sharpie? I'm not sure if you have any idea what you're talking.. I don't own Double Cross, but looking at the video, the gimmick (similiar to super sharpie) is right in front of the spectator's very nose, nothing to palm, nothing to hide, nothing to put away into the pocket, nothing to take out.
- You said that the price puts you off, but you're willing to spend $10 to get a X stamp from a bookstore and another $5 to get a ink pad, and you have to carry 2 extra nonsense around when you perform. I think, you're better off topping up the balance to get double cross.

Speaking of which, super sharpie is ingenious btw. personally I think its the best swarmi around, every action is justifiable from start to end, and its EASY to write as well! I'm pretty sure I have a good idea on how double cross sharpie works, I just hope that the routine and handlings provided is justifiable for every single move from start to end.

Just waiting for a couple of reviews before I take the plunge! All my life I've been searching to the answer to "ink" the spectator!
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On Aug 1, 2014, Magician560 wrote:
Looks nice but I don't think anyone has purchased it yet . The part that appears on the hand is the one I like the most .

But still , the prie puts me off a lot . SM sharpie is cheaper . Although they have differences . But if you say the method might be using some kind of mini stamp , then I might a well make a custom mini cross stamp from a bookstore for less than 10 bucks and attach it to my SM sharpie . How about that ?

:)


Let me ask you a few questions, in the point of a working environment.
- How are you going to STORE that cross stamp? In 1 pocket? Pocket space is invaluable for a working magician.
- How are you going to make sure that the X stamp is always wet and INKED and ready to imprint on the spectator's hand? Are you going to store it in some ziplock bag to keep it from drying up, and risk making a mess out of your pocket?
- Attach it to the SM sharpie? I'm not sure if you have any idea what you're talking.. I don't own Double Cross, but looking at the video, the gimmick (similiar to super sharpie) is right in front of the spectator's very nose, nothing to palm, nothing to hide, nothing to put away into the pocket, nothing to take out.
- You said that the price puts you off, but you're willing to spend $10 to get a X stamp from a bookstore and another $5 to get a ink pad, and you have to carry 2 extra nonsense around when you perform. I think, you're better off topping up the balance to get double cross.

Speaking of which, super sharpie is ingenious btw. personally I think its the best swarmi around, every action is justifiable from start to end, and its EASY to write as well! I'm pretty sure I have a good idea on how double cross sharpie works, I just hope that the routine and handlings provided is justifiable for every single move from start to end.

Just waiting for a couple of reviews before I take the plunge! All my life I've been searching to the answer to "ink" the spectator!


Hahaha true Smile . Ok then . I will wait for a few reviews before concluding on anything .
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Anyways I just remembered that in the Mentalism Tagged routine , they taught a method of how to apply any word on the spectator's band . So I believe combining that and SM sharpie will create the same effect as the Double Cross . Although it is not self contained in a sharpie like you said , but I believe I can save up the 60 dollars and that will be the thing I care . The method is not important . So long as I can achieve the same ending . Well yes I like the effect and it is cool , but no I am not going to perform it often even if I have it . It is good performing to only a small group of ppl ( like 2-4 ? ) but I believe it is no longer good performing to 10 ppl . And by the way I often perform to a big group rather to just a small group . Mainly because I think performing to a big group like around a table , some spectator will have trouble seeing the small cross that has appeared on the hand of another spectator at the opposite end of the table . Smile Anyways you seem to be really interested in this . But I don't think there will be many reviews of this product coming any time soon . I like magic smith a lot and all their products but I just don think this product fits my style . Well if it fits yours then good for you Smile you can go and get one anytime . I will look forward to your review about it if you decide to buy one .
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Get ready for a controversial scoop folks!

1. Magicsmith releases Double Cross

http://www.magicsmith.com/masox.html

2. Gary Jones says it's stolen from him and Mark Bendell. Check out Gary's controversial quote from facebook here...

http://www.magicbunny.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57199

I hope all involved manage to resolve this without damaging reputations.
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Mike's demolition of Gary's claim on the Bunny thread is quite interesting.

What are your thoughts on that, Jamie?
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Don't know, can't think. I only have half a brain cell. I exhausted that finding this particular scoop.
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Don't know, can't think. I only have half a brain cell. I exhausted that finding this particular scoop.


Yup. But that's old news as well.
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Don't know, can't think. I only have half a brain cell. I exhausted that finding this particular scoop.


Yup. But that's old news as well.

If I could figure out what you just said I would probably find it funny.
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No. You wouldn't.
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Reed mclintock's stars and hexes should be credited/mentioned - at least that did something interesting/different with cleaner/less fiddly method than the old school approach...
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How about Rocco's Stampede system. That was even better.
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Stars and hexes came first I believe...
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Mr Jay got it completely wrong, the issue isn't about transferring a mark onto a spectator's hand (this is as old as magic) it's about creating a gimmick that would do both, vanish a mark from the magician's hand and it reappearing on a spectator's hand, all being self-contained and built into one Sharpie!

This matter is all under hand so there's no need for any other/more stirring!

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Mr Jay got it completely wrong, the issue isn't about transferring a mark onto a spectator's hand (this is as old as magic) it's about creating a gimmick that would do both, vanish a mark from the magician's hand and it reappearing on a spectator's hand, all being self-contained and built into one Sharpie!

This matter is all under hand so there's no need for any other/more stirring!

Gary.


I completely agree. The idea has been around for a long time, but this gimmick, being completely self contained, changes everything.

Frankly, ideas without actions are nothing. You can have a notebook with 2000 ideas inside but none is taken into action. All you have are drawings and notes. Then one day, you see it released in the market. Do you have the rights to run mummy and show her your notebook and say XX stole your idea?

But anyway. That's off topic. For double cross, I believe the gimmick is the game changer. This kind of effects have been around for so long.
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Reed mclintock's stars and hexes should be credited/mentioned - at least that did something interesting/different with cleaner/less fiddly method than the old school approach...


Stars and hexes? That's completely a waste of my money from what I remember.

Alcohol swabs and zip lock bags... Gosh.
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Mr Jay got it completely wrong, the issue isn't about transferring a mark onto a spectator's hand (this is as old as magic) it's about creating a gimmick that would do both, vanish a mark from the magician's hand and it reappearing on a spectator's hand, all being self-contained and built into one Sharpie!

This matter is all under hand so there's no need for any other/more stirring!

Gary.


I completely agree. The idea has been around for a long time, but this gimmick, being completely self contained, changes everything.

Frankly, ideas without actions are nothing. You can have a notebook with 2000 ideas inside but none is taken into action. All you have are drawings and notes. Then one day, you see it released in the market. Do you have the rights to run mummy and show her your notebook and say XX stole your idea?

But anyway. That's off topic. For double cross, I believe the gimmick is the game changer. This kind of effects have been around for so long.


Runnung to mummy, I like that! That's not what happened, I wish it was that simple. I show a 'friend' an idea I have, they tell you they know a person who can make it, nothing happens so you put it on the back burner, further down the line your 'friend' releases it as his own, you find out by other friends you also shared said idea with that it's on the market by that 'friend', trust me mate, this isn't running to mummy, I don't do that!

Thanks for your concern though, best that to keep to the subject though, this is a brilliantly piece of kit!
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Mr Jay got it completely wrong, the issue isn't about transferring a mark onto a spectator's hand (this is as old as magic) it's about creating a gimmick that would do both, vanish a mark from the magician's hand and it reappearing on a spectator's hand, all being self-contained and built into one Sharpie!


I didn't get it wrong, at all. I am fully aware of the fact that this latest slapping match by the 'pros' is about the Sharpie and not about the trick. You've got to read between the lines to fully understand my point, I guess. I'm calling this whole thing laughable because these 'pros' believe they've done something special by making a gaffed Sharpie for a trick that simply didn't need any help from anyone.

Now I don't know the exact figure because there is so much horse manure being marketed these days, but I'll go out on a limb and say that if you carried all the Sharpies necessary for all these new uses for them, you'd have 35 Sharpies on your person at all times.

If a 'pro' wants to create a special Sharpie for any reason, any reason at all, it should be the Everything Sharpie - the Sharpie that allows you to eliminate those 35 Sharpies so that all you need to carry is the one Sharpie to do your 35 special Sharpie tricks. Now [u]THAT[/u] would be an original idea. But this whole argument over territory on who owns the rights to a Sharpie that is used for one trick, that one trick being a trick that's been around since time out of mind, is risible.

Or maybe it's just plain pathetic. I guess it's a matter of whether you want to laugh or cry over the state of 'professional' magic these days.

I fully agree that stealing someone's idea is sleazy, but when that idea is just more stuff that will find its way quickly into the bottom drawer then it just becomes a matter of absurdity.

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