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@DD folks would understand more or perhaps better after reading the cdc item linked

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On Aug 11, 2014, General_Magician wrote:
It just goes to show that some problems are far more serious than what they might seem or appear to others. You know, you just kinda felt somebody should have been around to make sure he was going to be OK. I guess I am lucky in that regard that my family makes sure I am OK. My wife is awesome in that regard. Yet, here is Robin Williams who is loved and admired and has nobody to look out for him. What is this world coming to?


My wife had a friend in the theater group she belonged to. He was known to have fits of depression over the direction of his career and everyone had certain "trigger moments" when they knew they should watch out for him. One night, he was up, buoyant and happy about a couple of projects he had coming up. At the end of the night, he mentioned he was tired and didn't want to "party" with the rest of the crew so my wife suggested he go home and get some sleep. He went home and hanged himself! It took my wife MONTHS to get over the guilt of not having stayed with him and held his hand. I finally convinced her that there was nothing there to suggest that he was in a "dangerous place" and she had nothing to feel guilty about.

Same with whoever was staying with Robin Williams at this time (wife, friend, whatever) There comes a point when someone will do something like this and sometimes there's nothing there to warn people.

Whoever this person was, he/she has no reason to feel guilty.
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I just woke up to this...

No... No... Smile

I don't want to believe this... Smile
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I just woke up to this...

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I don't want to believe this... Smile
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"There's some sad things known to man, but ain't too much sadder than the tears of a clown when there's no one around". - Smokey Robison
RIP Robin
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Good night sweet Prince... And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!

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Good night sweet Prince... And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!

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Yeah it is a shame but I am not surpised either, celebrities live a hectic lifestyle and it is not as glamorous as it looks. When you have that much money and fame it takes a toll on you, especially after being taken by a lot of gold diggers. With their high octane lifestyles comes a lot of stress, pressure and demand so it not surprising that they fall into addiction and other problems. Some sooner some later. Being a comedian, being wealthy, and being famous does not necessarily mean you are happy. Some are happy just to be alive. Some deal with it all the stress well others don't. It is what it is.
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On Aug 11, 2014, General_Magician wrote:
Why would somebody who as so loved, admired and successful choose to end his own life? That's crazy! I mean, wasn't there anybody to keep an eye on him and make sure he was going to be alright?


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He gave all of the happiness and joy he had to other people. I just wish he had saved a little for himself.

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On Aug 12, 2014, magicalaurie wrote:
Ray Combs

I went to high school with Ray and played in the pit orchestra for 2 musicals he was in. Never a single outward sign that he was hurting. Everyone in our hometown was shocked at his passing.
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Yes, it is sad that Robin Williams passed away. My sympathy as to how he chose to pass away is much less. Many people without the talent and resources that was available to him face their demons everyday and most struggle through them. The largest share of my grief is focused on mental illness and not just on this individual or those celebrities that chose a similar path of destruction. I am more sympathetic towards the hundreds of thousands of individuals faced with a life threatening illness that was not of their choosing and whom would much prefer life over death but do not have the luxury of choice.

Of concern:

One suicide can inspire other people to view suicide as an option.

Suicide takes the lives of nearly 30,000 Americans every year.

An average of one person dies by suicide every 16.2 minutes

Why does it take a celebrity to make us come together to face an issue and then quickly forget it until the next celebrity dies in similar circumstances?
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Robin Williams was not alone or unique in his struggle with darkness. Every artist, entertainer, creative person you know struggles with profound highs and lows. 
We get affirmation and love from complete strangers who elevate us to godhood when we are in front of them. But the crash when that love and affirmation is not present is a devastating feeling. Nothing is more damaging emotionally to be on a stage high only to come home and be the faceless schlub who has to do the dishes and take out the trash. It is even worse for those who also have to work a day job. Sitting in a cube often feels like being imprisoned and compounds the low. Nobody gives you love and affirmation in Corporate America.
What’s worse is that the people who are closest to us, who we need love and affirmation from the most can’t give it to us in the way that complete strangers do. We think these are the first people we should expect this from and when reality hits, it hits hard.
Even worse is that creativity in all forms comes with self loathing. We can’t “love” ourselves like we need to be loved. We hate ourselves and need someone outside ourselves to lift us up.
In addition to the highs and lows, and the self loathing is fear. Fear of aging. Fear of no longer being relevant. Fear that you will never be as good as you once were - that perfection is out of your reach and that even your best work was never good enough.

It is a drug. It is brutal. It can crush you.

Before you start rolling your eyes at your “artsy” friend who seems to have drama follow them around, go give them a hug, a kiss, tell them you love them and they are the sun and the moon. That’s all they want. That’s all we need.
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Lock MY thread?! I reported it first.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On Aug 12, 2014, slowkneenuh wrote:
Yes, it is sad that Robin Williams passed away. My sympathy as to how he chose to pass away is much less. Many people without the talent and resources that was available to him face their demons everyday and most struggle through them. The largest share of my grief is focused on mental illness and not just on this individual or those celebrities that chose a similar path of destruction. I am more sympathetic towards the hundreds of thousands of individuals faced with a life threatening illness that was not of their choosing and whom would much prefer life over death but do not have the luxury of choice.

Of concern:

One suicide can inspire other people to view suicide as an option.

Suicide takes the lives of nearly 30,000 Americans every year.

An average of one person dies by suicide every 16.2 minutes

Why does it take a celebrity to make us come together to face an issue and then quickly forget it until the next celebrity dies in similar circumstances?



This *is* a life-threatening illness, and to base sympathy on one category of deaths being "not of their choosing" is very short-sighted. To boil it down to "choice" is unbelieveable.

To them, their emotional state literally brings them to the point where there *is* no choice. They come to the point where they can do no other.

For many, depression is not temporary. It is probably something they have lived with for years, and have come to the conclusion (many after ongoing counseling, ongoing meds, ongoing etc...) that it is permanent.

It not something that someone just eventually finds a solution for if he/she tries hard enough or thinks about it hard enough. It is a pain and turmoil that stays with you - you know it will be there tomorrow, next month and next year, because it has been for the past 5...10...20 years (or more) and you've come to the conclusion that no matter what you do, it will always be there. You've lived with it for so many years that you've given up hope, and it is so bad - get this - that when you decide to end it, it is because *you have become emotionally capable of no other action*.

Some would much prefer to die of cancer than live in their state. Do you honestly think they wouldn't prefer life over death???

I don't suffer from it, but a very close relative does, I've known her for about 25 years. It can destroy the person, it can destroy relationships.

I feel sorry for Robin. For all the love directed his way and success he found, depression eventually came to outweigh it all.

To boil it down to "choice" is accurate only if you understand that it becomes the only choice they are capable of making. For me, that is an end that is deserving of as much sympathy as that related to any physical disease.
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On Aug 12, 2014, magicalaurie wrote:
Ray Combs

I went to high school with Ray and played in the pit orchestra for 2 musicals he was in. Never a single outward sign that he was hurting. Everyone in our hometown was shocked at his passing.


Thankyou very much for commenting, giobbi1. Ray was absolutely fantastic on Family Feud. My mother was a fan and my sister and I always enjoyed watching him, too. Bright light. I was quite upset upon hearing of his death. Very sorry that he, too, like many others, was suffering so. I don't think Robin would mind if I put up a couple of clips. On reading the comments he was said to have made during the last fast money round, I wondered how he might have pulled that off- I don't remember whether I saw it at the time or not, but viewing it now, I see that he, naturally, delivered it quite beautifully without any malice inflicted whatsoever- quite a feat, I'm not surprised- the guy was lovely. We were lucky to have him and I appreciate the small amount of his work I got to see. Brilliant, indeed.

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Lock MY thread?! I reported it first.


Probably because the title is not quite as sensitive.
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Unfortunately, no euphemism will bring him back.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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