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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts 
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Slowkneenuh, the part you're missing, I think, is that Robin Williams was a human being just like the rest of us. Talent and resources can be overwhelmed by disease. As I said earlier, this disease sets one against oneself and that can become an extremely deep hole to climb out of while shouldering an enormous weight, no matter your talent or resources. The choice becomes distorted. One feels unworthy of life. The nature of the disease leads to self destruction. It can be overcome. But the suffering of those who succumb should never be underestimated and your comment here indicates a dangerous ignorance that only fuels the stigma tossed upon the ill only because they have a mental/emotional illness. It is a biological illness, as other physical illnesses are. Mind and body aren't separate. The spirit can overcome, and the spirit can be discouraged. Understand the damage your lack of awareness and compassion can contribute to one who's already down. Hate hurts, even if the one it's tossed on recognizes the source. The fact that one makes little to no effort to understand another but instead expends energy on hate causes pain, especially to one who's empathetic to others, as Robin clearly was.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3662 Posts
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It is just so sad.
"Popeye" is my favorite memory of Robin Williams but we do own the whole Mork and Mindy Series. Having known and knowing some who have problems with depression, I can tell you that this is not of one's choosing. That said, it is important to try and keep positive and seek help when it gets worse. -Mary Mowder |
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts
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On Aug 12, 2014, slowkneenuh wrote: 
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Slowneenuh- If you think clinical depression isn't a life threatening illness, you are sadly mistaken. There are demonstrable chemical differences in the brains of the severely depressed. It's simply wrong to dismissively assert that people who are suffering from depression have "the luxury of choice."
One of the reasons that people don't seek help for depression is because of the stigma still attached to mental illness. Your post simply reinforces that stigma. |
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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts
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Possibly you may want to re-read my post. It is sad, but the real anguish to be delivered is not Robin Williams' suicide, but mental health in total or life threatening disease forced on the innocents. I have performed much magic in a mental health unit of a hospital behind locked doors with the poor souls and witnessed their anguish and the despair of their loved ones. Routinely I performed at a Veterans Home where almost half the population had to be kept behind locked doors and saw a shell of what they had been or achieved in real life knowing full well the sacrifices they made for our country. I participate or sponsor events by A Wish Come True for terminally ill children, Special Olympics, and perform magic at the cancer Relay For Life.
I know mental and physical suffering and I weep inside when I see the innocents suffer. But I am sick and tired of hearing about the poor celebrities who pass away and many times of their own choosing. Yes they had a choice just as you and I had choices. Nobody forced them to go down certain paths, or to start the use of drugs or alcohol to excess, or to seek fame knowing that someday it would fade away. Yes, it is sad but my real tears will be shed for others.
John
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts
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I had the opportunity to meet with him when I was in Afghanistan. When he came to visit, he heard about the "Soldier" who performed magic in the hospital during his down time and asked to meet him. During his visit, I had the very fortunate opportunity to spend an entire day with him. We had lunch and dinner together, and he sat in the audience as I performed a show for the hospital wing that took care of the wounded Afghan children. Afterwards he just sat there and cried, and went to the hospital beds and kissed each child on the head. There was no media or cameras, just a true genuine moment. He has always been a favorite of mine. We weren't huge fans of his new show, but our t.v.'s were always tuned in to help with the ratings. He is truly a legend and will be missed.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Slowkeenuh- Your lack of compassion or any understanding of depression or addiction is amazing. It's NOT A CHOICE. And it's sad that you feel the need to diminish Mr. Williams on a memorial thread.
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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts
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Alright I give up! It's certainly not my lack of compassion or an intent to diminish Mr. Williams at all or on this thread in particular. It must be my communication skills. (However, I do believe it is a choice made when you decide to try it, continue to do it knowing the risks, and ultimately becoming addicted where choices may no longer be an option).
John
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Aug 13, 2014, slowkneenuh wrote: Your post suggests that you believe that depression is a result of addiction, when in fact, to an extent, it's often if anything the other way around - many people with undiagnosed (clinical) depression turn to alcohol or drugs in an effort to self-medicate. It's not the "fading away" of fame, or excessive drug or alcohol use; it's brain chemistry.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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On Aug 13, 2014, w_s_anderson wrote: Thank you for the story. Regarding depression and suicide being a "choice": no comment. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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And just when I thought that Rush Limbaugh couldn't possibly get any lower, he has to say this about Robin Williams:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12......626.html |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts
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The most deadliest and serious wounds can't be seen and are not physical. It's the mental wounds that are the most under-estimated and worst of all.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts
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Koko mourns the loss of his friend, Robin Williams...
(article contains video clip) http://www.today.com/pets/robin-williams......80056867 Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Thanks for the story w_s_ (William if I remember correctly?) Hugely enlightening as to Williams's character.
Words from his family: http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/08/robin-willi......passing/
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On Aug 13, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I don't believe that for one moment. |
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts
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 Thanks Stone and Landmark, I will never forget that day, it was truly one of the highlights of my life. When he showed up he went to the base PA system and went into a "GOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING Baghram Afghanistan" bit. We had no clue he was there and were just sitting around our tent remarking about how "Good" this guy was and that how closely he sounded like Robin. Now imagine our surprise when not more than 10 minutes later the flaps to our tent fly open and in walks Mr. Williams marching back and forth in our tent pretending to be our Sergeant Major talking smack and knocking our thing over. It was hilarious and an honor to get a private performance from one of the greatest entertainers who ever lived. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Wow. I really have a hard time reading some of this crap.
All I am going to say is depression is like any other disease. No stigma attached. Somehow it has one. The disease itself stops one from seeking treatment. It also tends to draw people to self destructive behavior and to self medicate. It is not just "feeling bad" or gloomy because of a single event. If you have not had it or known someone who has it is almost impossible to understand. Do more research. Ignorant posts do not help further the cause of prevention.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts
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On Aug 13, 2014, w_s_anderson wrote: That's an awesome picture Anderson. He looks like he fits right in with the troops. It must have been really cool and awesome to meet Robin Williams. What did he say to you before and after the photo op if you don't mind me asking?
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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On Aug 13, 2014, rockwall wrote: Then listen to Limbaugh saying it himself- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNQFa9AM5MI You'll find that the article I cited is completely accurate, regarding both what Limbaugh and Fox news stated. |
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