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That is all.
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Of course it's offensive. As is the team name.
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Of course it's offensive. As is the team name.



Not if they replace their current mascot with this one

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Or they could just change their name to the "Washington White Butts."
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It was funny that when actual Native Americans were polled, they pretty much had no problem with the name "Redskins". Appears that its mostly offensive to a bunch of over-sensitive honkys.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Of course it's offensive.

Wait. So you were offended that eleven Redskin team members ran on the field performing a gesture protesting the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/113754......-protest
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Really? Not according to the polls I've seen. 67% of Native Americans believe the name is offensive and racist. Only 20% of white folks agree.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/nat......ial-slur
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Are you avoiding my question?

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It was funny that when actual Native Americans were polled, they pretty much had no problem with the name "Redskins". Appears that its mostly offensive to a bunch of over-sensitive honkys.

Exactly, we've become so arrogant and self important that we now tell minorities what offends them and what doesn't. Like calling orientals 'asian'. Pakistanis are asian. Saudis are asian. Kurds are asian. Russians are asian. But Asian just sounds so lovely to us. So politically correct. Guess what? It isn't. It is downright offensive to many 'asians' .
But back to my OP. I was talking about the Redskins team's pregame gesture of holding their hands up and saying "don't shoot" to support the protest against the police.
I find this in poor taste and I feel the owner or the president should apologize.
Lets keep sports as sports.
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Rockwall- Do you have a language problem? "Denier" simply means one who denies AGW science.


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Of course it's offensive. As is the team name.


What in the world could be offensive about the name? "Red Skin" simply means one whose skin is redder than the European's skin who came here.
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You might want to look up the etymology of the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_%28slang%29

Completely predictable, though, that you've ignored the poll I posted.

But next time you visit an Native American reservation, make it a point of calling the folks "redskins" and let us all know how well that works out for ya.
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But back to my OP. I was talking about the Redskins team's pregame gesture of holding their hands up and saying "don't shoot" to support the protest against the police.
I find this in poor taste and I feel the owner or the president should apologize.
Lets keep sports as sports.

Well, I hope you noticed that I was at least paying attention to the news, and figured out what you meant.

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But I have to ask, when in your lifetime was sports ever only sports? At least any professional or high level sports?
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You might want to look up the etymology of the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_%28slang%29

Completely predictable, though, that you've ignored the poll I posted.

But next time you visit an Native American reservation, make it a point of calling the folks "redskins" and let us all know how well that works out for ya.


So now it's a poll that determines if a name is offensive? You change your definition of what's offensive so often I can't keep up with you. How many skeptics do you think find being called a 'denier' is offensive.

Tell ya what, next time I see ya, make it a point to call me a 'denier' and let us all know how well that works out for ya.
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It was funny that when actual Native Americans were polled, they pretty much had no problem with the name "Redskins". Appears that its mostly offensive to a bunch of over-sensitive honkys.

Exactly, we've become so arrogant and self important that we now tell minorities what offends them and what doesn't. Like calling orientals 'asian'. Pakistanis are asian. Saudis are asian. Kurds are asian. Russians are asian. But Asian just sounds so lovely to us. So politically correct. Guess what? It isn't.

Couldn't agree with y'all more. Smile
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How many skeptics do you think find being called a 'denier' is offensive.

Tell ya what, next time I see ya, make it a point to call me a 'denier' and let us all know how well that works out for ya.


You really can't tell the difference between being called a racial epithet and being called a "denier" of climate science? Really?

I've over-estimated you, apparently.
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Don't be silly Magnus. Does the fact that one is more offensive than the other make it OK to use? Should we set offensive levels on all names? Is the N word more offensive than Red skin and Red skin is more offensive than Cracker? Does that mean it's OK to call someone a cracker because it's not as offensive?

And besides, in the AGW thread, it wasn't about if the term was offensive according to Bob, it was if the term was linguistically correct. So I made the point that you could argue that redskin was linguistically correct and now Bob wants to say claim that it's now about if the term is offensive. And now you and Bob want to claim it's not about if the term is offensive but if the term is 'racially' offensive.

But I think you know that. Or maybe I've over-estimated you.
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Which of the following is defined as "usually offensive?"

From Merriam Webster:

de·ni·er
noun di-ˈnī(-ə)r, dē-
Definition of DENIER
: one who denies <deniers of the truth>
First Known Use of DENIER
15th century

red·skin
noun ˈred-ˌskin
Definition of REDSKIN
usually offensive
: american indian
See redskin defined for English-language learners »
First Known Use of REDSKIN
1699

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar......08507452
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Good try rockwall. But the stench of your odious comparison still envelops you.
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The following quote is from Mastermindreader's Wiki reference above (isn't it amazing how Wiki is seen as the immediate "go to" for fact checking, while Wiki itself announces that it seeks more information on certain subjects.) Be that as it may, here is the referenced quote:

In the United States, "redskin" is regarded as a racial epithet by some,[35] neutral by some people,[36] including some Native Americans.[37] Three predominately Native American schools use the name for their athletic teams, most notably the 98% Native American enrollment of the Red Mesa High School in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona.[38][39][40]

(Bold emphasis mine in above paragraph and noting the word some above. SOME! And what about the fact that three predominantly Native American high schools use the name "Redskin" in their team names? Hmmmmm. Something to think about who is calling the shots here; Native Americans or others who would push their agendas on them.

The American Heritage style guide advises that "the term redskin evokes an even more objectionable stereotype" than the use of red as a racial adjective by outsiders,[41] while others urge writers to use the term only in a historical context.[42] The US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) rejected an application to register "Redskins Hog Rinds" because it "con.sists of or includes matter which may disparage or bring into contempt or disrepute persons, institutions, beliefs, or national symbols".[43] A decision by the USPTO to cancel the registration of some trademarks of the Washington NFL team for the same reason was handed down on June 18, 2014.[44]

Oh, and don't miss the typo in Wiki's quote in the cut-and-paste above in "con.sists." Wiki makes mistakes? Naaaaah.

(Bold emphasis again mine in above paragraph) So, the American Heritage style guide advises......well, a style guide is just that, a guide. Most major newspapers I know of have style guides as an aid to reporters and editors in their writing. Once again, style GUIDE. Not a mandate. As for the USPTO denying registration of some trademarks of, well, isn't that just a wonderful example of governmental interference in our lives?

I expect to hear some of y'all call me out on this stuff,and that's just the nature of the beasts in here. So have at it and have fun, but you're wasting your time. At least on me anyway. Smile
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The fact is that the most recent polling data shows that 67% of Native Americans find the term offensive and/or racist.

And virtually EVERY dictionary printed since the end of the 19th Century defines the term as an epithet or as "usually offensive."
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