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All part of the bargained-for exchanges which their union signs off on and which makes them millionaires.

Sure, but I wasn't the one complaining about their behavior, I thought you were. The players have morals clauses etc. in their contracts spelling out boundaries on what they can say and do, and apparently what they did at the stadium with the arms up protest is acceptable.

At least, I have not heard of any complaints from management or the NFL.


First off, I wasn't complaining (as I noted earlier, I don't find it offensive, myself); however, it does strike me as inappropriate (unless it had the prior sanction by the team). But there are two different issues. When I made my "company time" observation, that's how I'd do it, that's my general belief about things "should" be done, in the absence of prior team approval. If I were the NFL czar, for instance. Then you made the observation that they're never really off-duty (in actuality). That's the way they've opted to do it, and I'm fine with that, in reality. Sort of like someone who is against gay marriage personally, but ok with a state deciding for itself that it's legal.
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Oh no you DIT...N'T ...lol
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Instead whining, participating in endless marches and rallies for justice, and being in continual second-class citizen status, I advise black Americans to re-think gun ownership for self-protection, implement economic strategies of Dr. Claud Anderson, author of Powernomics, and those with business and advanced technological skillsets should cultivate reciprocal relationships with Africans at home and aboard, since many African countries offer dual-citizenship opportunities, instead languishing in a country where you’re not wanted.

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Now THAT'S what I call offensive!
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[2014] Dr Claud Anderson -State of Black America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqGuZEjEjww



Interesting perspective.
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That's an understatement! "Advising" black Americans to get dual citizenship with an African country rather than stay here "where you're not wanted."

There's a pretty good word for that.
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I was talking about Dr. Anderson's perspective.
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That's an understatement! "Advising" black Americans to get dual citizenship with an African country rather than stay here "where you're not wanted."

There's a pretty good word for that.

The word I think you are suggesting is "racist". Do correct me if I am mistaken, because this is obviously a guess.

But the fairness of that label depends on who is doing the advising and what their motives are, doesn't it? In other words, I do not think such advice is necessarily racist.

Furthermore, it seems many in Tanzania are / were pushing the dual citizen idea for inclusion in its new constitution. But the allowing of dual citizenship there is still not a done deal, so far as I know.
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I have no idea what Dr. Anderson's motives are. I am question the motives of the person who quoted him here in the context of the discussion we're having about the demonstrations in Ferguson.
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That's an understatement! "Advising" black Americans to get dual citizenship with an African country rather than stay here "where you're not wanted."

There's a pretty good word for that.


What is that word just so we are clear what you are saying?
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I guess my question is, how far is it going to go?

The Redskins were playing the Cleveland Browns that day. What's a "brown?" Is it a minority in Cleveland?

The SF Giants: Offensive to people who have acromegaly?

The Oakland Raiders: Should they lose the eye patch because it implies a handicap?

The NY Jets: Does the name imply they are gang members from "West Side Story?"

The Boston Celtics, the New Orleans Saints, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Green Bay Packers, the San Diego Padres: take your pick. [yawn]

There's a public high school in my area that has "The Home of the Trojans" proudly emblazoned across the front of their new entry gate. Is this a sexual innuendo? BTW, Wikipedia (yep, Wikipedia) has a huge list of sports teams named Trojans.

I'm okay with being sensitive, and totally okay with being careful about how new teams are named and all that, but really, how far is this going to go? And do these polls really -- really -- have a purpose other than to stir people up and sell advertising space?
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Danny- I thought the word was clear. Balducci assumed correctly. (See earlier posts.)

What do you call advising African Americans that they aren't wanted here? I call it racism.
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No one likes lawyers until they need one.
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No one likes lawyers until they need one.


Especially dirt bags, they always love their public defender to rally behind them, usually attempting to get them off some violent crime they committed. Some defense lawyers need to become victims of crime imo so that they can see what it feels like when another defense lawyer makes it sound as if the criminal needs to be coddled, loved, and made out to be a victim themselves. Then maybe they might see just how ridiculous most of their cases are.
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Wow! Leave it to you to slander an entire profession. Personally, I never defended, at trial, a person I knew to be guilty, but I did succeed in keeping several innocent people from going to prison.

So what did you think of Clarence Darrow? (Or have you ever even heard of him?)

Also- have you ever heard of that part of the Constitution that guarantees the right to counsel, whether you're guilty or not?

Those are rhetorical questions, by the way. I really don't care what your uninformed answers would be.
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Personally, I never defended, at trial, a person I knew to be guilty, but I did succeed in keeping several innocent people from going to prison.


Just curious; how did you know they were innocent?
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Mostly through forensic evidence, independent autopsy (in that case it was determined that the decedent died a natural death that had been initially, and erroneously, been determined to be a poisoning), discredited eye witness testimony and, in one case, exposure of a completely fabricated police report which included an admission by the arresting officer that he had altered the defendant's initial statement to police. In other cases I simply believed them because our investigations revealed that they were telling us the truth.

The point, though, Bob, is that EVERY defendant has the right to be defended by competent counsel. It's a Constitutional right, not an option. Defense attorneys, like prosecutors, are officers of the court. In many cases they are actually appointed to represent indigent defendants and have little choice in the matter. Even the guilty are entitled to representation.

Theoretically, if every defense attorney refused to represent an unpopular defendant, by law that defendant could not be tried, let alone convicted. Defense attorneys are an integral part of the American judicial system. And among them are some of the finest legal minds and some very honorable men. I'm not going to just stand silent went someone slanders an entire profession that he knows absolutely nothing about.

Sure, there have been crooked defense lawyers. Just as there have been crooked prosecutors, police and judges. But that doesn't change the fact that we still have one of the finest judicial systems in the world. And the defense bar occupies an important and indispensable place in that system.

Sadly, the present argument is just thinly veiled politics, as is usual here. I suspect that the same people who are criticizing those who represent "certain" defendants are, nonetheless, quite happy with the highly competent defense attorney who defended George Zimmerman.

(I wonder how many here know that, before he was President, John Adams defended the British soldiers accused of murder in the Boston Massacre. Was he "ridiculous" too?)
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Very good explanation Bob, I appreciate your taking the time to respond. I wasn' trying to jerk your chain; I really wanted to know why you thought the innocents were innocent. And I agree, everyone deserves a defense, no argument here. As for Adams, I never knew that. So I learned something by asking a question. Smile
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No problem, Bob. Another little known fact- Twenty-five of the fifty-six signers of the Declaration of Independence- including John Adams, whose signature is famously prominent, were lawyers.

And it was largely lawyers who wrote the US Constitution, which gave everyone the right to counsel in the first place.
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