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"Three predominately Native American schools use the name for their athletic teams, most notably the 98% Native American enrollment of the Red Mesa High School in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona."

Well, the key word there may be predominately.

Cutting and pasting from a newspaper article from a little while back:

“Of course, it is one thing for one ‘skin to call another ‘skin a ‘skin, but it has entirely different meaning when a non-Indian uses it.”

It was a white man who applied it to this particular football team [the Redskins]: Owner George Preston Marshall.

Marshall had a reputation as a racist. He was the last NFL owner who refused to sign black players — the federal government forced him to integrate in 1962 by threatening to cancel the lease on his stadium. When he died in 1969, his will created a Redskins Foundation but stipulated that it never support “the principle of racial integration in any form.”
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I guess that speaks to why it's considered OK for Blacks to call themselves by the N word, but if a Honkey does it, well, all bets are off. Seems like a double standard to me no matter what your color or race and/or conceived epithet is.

As an aside, I don't know a single white man or woman who is offended by the word Honkey. It's kind of an amusing epithet actually.

I think we all oughta' just lighten up a little and get back to the days when it was fun to tell a Polish joke. Or, German, Italian, Jewish, Greek, Black, Native American, Irish, Chinese, whatever. They're only words for God's sake.
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When I was growing up the one person who told more Polack (his word) jokes than anyone else I knew was a coworker of my fathers: Joe Piotrowski (who called himself Joe the Polack).

He was also a heck of a cribbage player.
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Being offended is often just looking for something to be offended by.

Personally I can see how the name might be offensive. Not saying anything needs to be done but can see the point.

Now as for DENIER I think it is offensive as well. In many ways it is intended to be so. In every way it is intended to be so or you guys would not use it all the time. You want to use it not as a term of endearment but as a slam to intentionally slag another just to make yourself seem better. It is not about language per say but about hiding behind it to intentionally conjure up images of those evil people who denied the atrocity of WWII. It is thinly veiled and it is obvious.

You KNOW it offends people on this board but you still throw it with regularity hiding behind the nonsense proper use of the word defense. Well let me point out I mean no offense when I say "democrat party" it offended some here so I made an effort to stop. I have stopped simply because it was offensive even though I personally meant no offense.

I wonder why people here so sensitive to others feelings do not offer me the same courtesy?
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What are you talking about, Danny? I sure hope we don't have any Holocaust deniers here. The comparison is ridiculous and never even crossed my mind.

But, okay. I won't use the word any more if it upsets you. How about "non-believer in climate science?"
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Well 11 players did what they did and it is Ok. Bob Costas came out for gun control on National TV at a football game. Having said that. I wonder how it would go if a group of pro gun football players or an NFL announcer announced on National TV his or her favor of gun ownership in The United States and stood up for the 2nd amendment at an NFL Football game. How do you think this would be received? Do I really have to tell you or do you already know?
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This thread is hilarious. Surely it can't last.
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But back to my OP. I was talking about the Redskins team's pregame gesture of holding their hands up and saying "don't shoot" to support the protest against the police.
I find this in poor taste and I feel the owner or the president should apologize.
Lets keep sports as sports.

Well, I hope you noticed that I was at least paying attention to the news, and figured out what you meant.

Smile

But I have to ask, when in your lifetime was sports ever only sports? At least any professional or high level sports?

True enough
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Louis CK on Indians, White People, and God's Earth (caution - language):


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I see some polls that disagree with Bob's %. This poll states that only 9% are offended!! http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=43211

Another interesting article of Native Americans NOT offended: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-s......hington/

Another article stating 90% did NOT find the word offensive: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/0......-a-slur/

Another article that a tribesman stated majority of his tribe does NOT think it's offensive and that our country has become to politically correct is the reason for the outcry. Also stating they would be offended if they DID change the name: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/05/2......ge-name/
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Note that the polls you cited are NOT the latest ones. The primary one goes back to 2003. The one I cited was conducted this year by native Americans THEMSELVES and is the latest taken as far as I can determine.

As to why the old poll is no longer applicable, read the following:

http://ipclinic.org/2014/02/11/11-reason......ve-name/

I think it's ironic that those who are supposedly "offended" by the hands up gesture have no problem whatsoever with "redskin."
(Makes sense, though.)
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I see some polls that disagree with Bob's %. This poll states that only 9% are offended!! http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=43211

Another interesting article of Native Americans NOT offended: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-s......hington/

Another article stating 90% did NOT find the word offensive: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/0......-a-slur/

Another article that a tribesman stated majority of his tribe does NOT think it's offensive and that our country has become to politically correct is the reason for the outcry. Also stating they would be offended if they DID change the name: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/05/2......ge-name/


Bob can ALWAYS find a poll to support his supposedly facts. He is as champion goggler. Smile It may be "The Intergalatic News Forum" but he will find it. Smile
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I see some polls that disagree with Bob's %. This poll states that only 9% are offended!! http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=43211

Another interesting article of Native Americans NOT offended: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-s......hington/

Another article stating 90% did NOT find the word offensive: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/0......-a-slur/

Another article that a tribesman stated majority of his tribe does NOT think it's offensive and that our country has become to politically correct is the reason for the outcry. Also stating they would be offended if they DID change the name: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/05/2......ge-name/




Bob can ALWAYS find a poll to support his supposedly facts. He is as champion goggler. Smile It may be "The Intergalatic News Forum" but he will find it. Smile

Don't be surprised if he does not bring up Jim Crow in this some how. Just had to say it Bob. Smile
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Of course you did! If it's irrelevant, you ALWAYS have to say it.

Be that as it may, the poll I cited is the most recent and was conducted by Native Americans.

I know you don't like to research or "Google" as you dismissively refer to it. (I think you once said you don't like to read either.) But, believe it or not, there are many of us who actually enjoy the pursuit of knowledge.

But yes, I DO cite sources to support my positions. You rarely, if ever, do that and have often said you just rely on your own "knowledge."
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I guess my question is, how far is it going to go?

The Redskins were playing the Cleveland Browns that day. What's a "brown?" Is it a minority in Cleveland?

The SF Giants: Offensive to people who have acromegaly?

The Oakland Raiders: Should they lose the eye patch because it implies a handicap?

The NY Jets: Does the name imply they are gang members from "West Side Story?"

The Boston Celtics, the New Orleans Saints, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Green Bay Packers, the San Diego Padres: take your pick. [yawn]

There's a public high school in my area that has "The Home of the Trojans" proudly emblazoned across the front of their new entry gate. Is this a sexual innuendo? BTW, Wikipedia (yep, Wikipedia) has a huge list of sports teams named Trojans.

I'm okay with being sensitive, and totally okay with being careful about how new teams are named and all that, but really, how far is this going to go? And do these polls really -- really -- have a purpose other than to stir people up and sell advertising space?
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. . . I think you once said you don't like to read either. . . .


I don't like to read either. It tends to interfere with my prejudices.
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It does have that effect, doesn't it?
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Yes. Very disruptive. Smile
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Note that the polls you cited are NOT the latest ones. The primary one goes back to 2003. The one I cited was conducted this year by native Americans THEMSELVES and is the latest taken as far as I can determine.

As to why the old poll is no longer applicable, read the following:

http://ipclinic.org/2014/02/11/11-reason......ve-name/

I think it's ironic that those who are supposedly "offended" by the hands up gesture have no problem whatsoever with "redskin."
(Makes sense, though.)



It's also ironic that the poll that the Washington College of Law pushes wouldn't survive some of its own critiques of the Annenberg poll.
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