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On Aug 28, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
12 is a perfect number--it is the sum of its proper divisors (1+2+3+6=12)

6 is a perfect number, as is 28.

12 isn't.
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12 is a perfect number--it is the sum of its proper divisors (1+2+3+6=12)


12 is not a "perfect number".
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Aces is correct, at least as far as number theory is concerned. (Metaphysics are a completely different matter.)Twelve is not a perfect number. The first perfect number is six. The next is twenty-eight.

Four IS a proper divisor of twelve. Hence the total of its proper divisors is sixteen.
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On Aug 28, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
12 is a perfect number--it is the sum of its proper divisors (1+2+3+6=12)


12 is not a "perfect number".


Good lord, no it isn't. How did I forget 4?

Super embarrassed. Sorry.

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How many people know the next one without looking? (After 6 and 28, that is).
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Yes, but I remember it because I saw it when I looked up the reference for my last post.
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How many people know the next one without looking? (After 6 and 28, that is).


What's embarrassing is that I do. The mind is a weird thing, sometimes.
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I recall that it's four hundred something. 472 maybe, or 476.
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How many people know the next one without looking? (After 6 and 28, that is).

Me.
Nice connection to Mersenne primes too.
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4 is improper.

I meant that 4 was an overlooked factor of 12.
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4 is improper.

I meant that 4 was an overlooked factor of 12.


Actually, I don't believe there's any such thing as an "improper" number. Four is, in fact, a "proper divisor" of twelve.

One, however, is the loneliest number according to Three Dog Night.
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IIRC, there are also deficient and abundant numbers; 4 would be deficient 1+2<3, and 12 would be abundant: 1+2+3+4+6>12.
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Professor Irwin Corey is probably the only one who could tackle this question, so I'll paraphrase him.

Why do juries in criminal cases have twelve members?

It is a two part question. The first part is "Why?" "Why" is a problem that has confounded and intrigued philosophers since time immemorial. It is a very complex question and one that I cannot possibly answer thoroughly here.

The second part of the question is "Do juries in criminal cases have twelve members?"

Yes!
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IIRC, there are also deficient and abundant numbers; 4 would be deficient 1+2<3 . . .

. . . and, because 3 < 4 and less-than is transitive, 1 + 2 < 4.

(Of course, 1 + 2 really isn't less than 3, but you get the idea.)
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Lobo,

Talked to my buddy who used to be a cop (who now works for the federal government). I called him just to see how he was doing and also asked to clarify if he actually made 8 bucks an hour as a cop at the one police department in question. He got paid more than 8 bucks an hour at the police department in question, but he stated some of the mandated cops in some of the surrounding counties made 8 bucks an hour. I doubled check to be sure that those were mandated cops he was talking about in the surrounding counties and he stated yes. But he himself made more than 8 bucks an hour at the police department in question. He said before he was on the road working as a mandated cop and he worked the jail in the 90s he made somewhere like 9 dollars and some odd cents an hour. So, just wanted to set the record straight. Your suscpicions that he made more than 8 bucks an hour turned out to be correct. I mainly called him just to see how he was doing as he is a good friend of mine and have known him since I was in middle school.
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I appreciate your intellectual honesty in reporting that.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I don't know if it's like "intellectual" honesty. I'm not really an intellectual myself Smile. I think it's just honesty. I don't mind admitting when I am wrong. It also kind illustrates what you guys have been talking about how eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate. Even though I wasn't giving any sort of testimony, it would seem I didn't recall it as accurately as I thought I did.
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I don't know if it's like "intellectual" honesty. I'm not really an intellectual myself Smile. I think it's just honesty. I don't mind admitting when I am wrong. It also kind illustrates what you guys have been talking about how eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate. Even though I wasn't giving any sort of testimony, it would seem I didn't recall it as accurately as I thought I did.


Not only was it intellectual honesty it was a serious man move standing up and coming back and posting that. Good on you.
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On Aug 28, 2014, landmark wrote:
IIRC, there are also deficient and abundant numbers; 4 would be deficient 1+2<3 . . .

. . . and, because 3 < 4 and less-than is transitive, 1 + 2 < 4.

(Of course, 1 + 2 really isn't less than 3, but you get the idea.)

Yep. Sorry for the typo there.
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