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On Aug 20, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Of course you did! If it's irrelevant, you ALWAYS have to say it.

Be that as it may, the poll I cited is the most recent and was conducted by Native Americans.

I know you don't like to research or "Google" as you dismissively refer to it. (I think you once said you don't like to read either.) But, believe it or not, there are many of us who actually enjoy the pursuit of knowledge.

But yes, I DO cite sources to support my positions. You rarely, if ever, do that and have often said you just rely on your own "knowledge."


I doubt very much that I ever said I don't like to read. Quite the opposite is true. I may have said I don't like to read a lot of info that has been googled. But I probably read more books than most I would imagine. However most of my reading is done for enjoyment rather than gaining knowledge. However through reading for enjoyment one can definitely gain some knowledge.
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Why is information that has been "Googled" inferior to information gained from other sources? Google is simply a search engine, among several others that I use as research aids.

Believe it or not, I still spend a lot of time in actual libraries. It's a habit left over from my days in law school, when I virtually lived in the law library.

But I still read at least four books a month and, when I'm not performing, I spend the rest of my time writing them.

I find it rather sad, though, that some people around here use "Googler" as a pejorative. Search engines actually put the collected knowledge of the world at our finger tips, provided we know how to use them.
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The collective knowledge...and the collected opinions.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Yep. Everything!!! That's where the "knowing how to use it" comes in.
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I am sorry if the term "googler" offends you. I am quite sure it is not even a word. But who knows it may be shortly same as "selfie". What would you call one who googles? It is a lot shorter than saying "information looker upper on the internet using google". Smile
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Bob,

Really interesting that you mention spending time in the library. My lawyer and I were having dinner about a month ago and conversation tuned to books and authors. He had mentioned that he spends about 3 to 5 hours a week in the library (which is very close to his office) every week and said it is just that he has been doing so since law school, except in law school many more hours.

However the strangest thing about this dinner was that he had made arrangements to pay for it before we even got there. Smile
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I'm not bothered by the term "googler." I'm only bothered by those who use the term in a dismissive way- as if it's a bad thing to provide information to support or rebut points in a discussion. It's certainly better, I'm sure you'll agree, than just making things up out of thin air. Smile
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I'm not bothered by the term "googler." I'm only bothered by those who use the term in a dismissive way- as if it's a bad thing to provide information to support or rebut points in a discussion. It's certainly better, I'm sure you'll agree, than just making things up out of thin air. Smile


Yes. I agree.
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Quite a derailment, but an interesting discussion nonetheless.
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I believe that the derailment began with the first reply.
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If it stayed on track it certainly would have been deleted by now. Like the rest of the Ferguson threads have been.
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Well, I wouldnt have called it a Ferguson thread, it was about sports teams making political statements on the field really.
I felt what they did was offensive.
When soccer players lift their shirts to show a tshirt with a stayement written on it, they are fined. I feel the Redskins should be fined.
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If it stayed on track it certainly would have been deleted by now. Like the rest of the Ferguson threads have been.

And the one on whether religion's net good or bad.
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OK, I'll bite. What could possibly be deemed offensive about their display of solidarity with a victim of violence?
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OK, I'll bite. What could possibly be deemed offensive about their display of solidarity with a victim of violence?


Nothing to me. Much to others. Why did you bite?
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OK, I'll bite. What could possibly be deemed offensive about their display of solidarity with a victim of violence?


You should ask Bob. he agreed with the OP in the 2nd post.
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LOL! When I first read the OP I wasn't aware of what the team had done prior to the game. (I don't follow the Redskins) I mistakenly thought he was referring to the "tomahawk chop" gesture. I forgot that was used by the Atlanta Braves rather than the Redskins. It would really have helped if the OP had explained what he was talking about rather than leaving to us to figure out what he meant.

So, no, I wasn't the least bit offended when I found out that they'd simply shown solidarity with the demonstrators in Missouri. What's offensive about that?
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I was wondering about that, Bob.
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On Aug 21, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
OK, I'll bite. What could possibly be deemed offensive about their display of solidarity with a victim of violence?


Perhaps (and I say "perhaps" because I don't personally find it offensive) the assumption before the facts are in that the police officer was a "victimizer," which suggests that the shooting was not justified.
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If the gesture HAD, in fact, been the tomahawk chop, I would have agreed that it was offensive.

I really don't see how anyone could be offended by what they actually did, though. It may have been politically unwise or a breach of some team rule, but WHAT, exactly, could be deemed offensive about it? They held their hands up. So what?
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