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On May 12, 2015, saysold1 wrote:
Josh?!

But I like Jack better as it goes with "you don't know"

Back to our conversation. Who reads a copyright at the bottom of a site? Do you use thumbtack?

Yes it's delightful to have you back - can you try to add something to a thread with some actual meat on it?


A lot of people read the copyrights to see if the site is current, just as Donald pointed out.

I don't use ThumbTack, GigMasters, GigSalad or any of those other sites. Do a search on Google for "san diego magician" and you'll see my websites come up on the first page 4-5 different times.

So, why would I need to be on those sites when I am all over Google.

But, hey, I'm just a stupid kid's magician, right?
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On May 12, 2015, Ken Northridge wrote:
Interesting, I have never even considered copyrighting my web site. At least its not dated.


Obviously it's a personal choice.

However, once you've had a photo or some text "borrowed" off your site without permission, you think about protecting your content with a copyright notice. It won't necessarily stop theft ("borrowing"). But when you have a copyright, at least you can say to the person who took it, "That really isn't yours to 'borrow'".

Having said that, I don't necessarily put a copyright notice on my brochures. When it comes to some of my promotional items and BOR items, I have a copyright notice on certain items and not on others. Obviously, when I published my book a few years ago, I put a copyright notice in it.

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On May 12, 2015, JoshLondonMagic wrote:
I don't use ThumbTack, GigMasters, GigSalad or any of those other sites. Do a search on Google for "san diego magician" and you'll see my websites come up on the first page 4-5 different times.
So, why would I need to be on those sites when I am all over Google?


Josh - if you are in agreement that Thumbtack is not relevant to your business model, why do you then criticize someone who shares your perspective, relative to their business model? Yes, it is important to pay attention to details, but their are priorities as to what details are most important to pay attention to. Those priorities are determined based upon ones business model.

Being "all over Google" is only impressive, if that is the desired strategy to optimize ones business model. I can see where the website then becomes a critical factor, but in other models it is relegated to a much lower level of importance.

Also, I think this needs to be said - unless one specifically asks for opinions here about their website content (or is making suggestions about such topics), their materials should not be introduced into the discussion. That is simply good etiquette.
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On another note why do the kids magicians seem to be such know it alls when it comes to web sites and business?

I'm tired.



I'm tired of people putting the kidshow performers down too.

To answer the question, that’s because they actually are smarter when it comes to business.Smile

Many of the kid show performers I know do all the marketing themselves, they make calls, send letters, paperwork, websites, etc,
and they do about ten times more shows than the average magician therefore they have more ‘experience’ with the business side.

Those who wait on the phone to ring, does two shows a month, or those who have agents and such, have no idea what it takes to book a show.
The fulltime kidshow performers are go-getters and know how to hustle to get business.

Or that's how I see it.

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There it is!
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Well Shazam!

Where's Gomer when I need him?
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Now I remember why I stay away from the Café.
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Now I remember why I stay away from the Café.


Do you remember that I have never ONCE put down a kids show worker?

I get a bad rap for things like this and I am just saying this is not on me!
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Well I'm new to this section and I did notice a trend.

Frankly I could care less how people earn their bread - I started out doing kids shows almost 40 years ago. More power to the kids performers - but when Josh the self proclaimed king of San Diego SEO starts telling me that my web site "copyright" is the main path to web and customer success - well I just ain't buying sorry.

And Lou - if you can't handle the fire get outta the kitchen. I mean that with no disrespect but that is the nature of the green machine - just like any community.

Every once and awhile things get dusted up a bit here and I can (and always will) defend myself - in a few days we will all move on to another exciting subject.

I don't take it personally and neither should you. I'm a giver by nature but when people say dumb stuff I call them on it.
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I for one welcome your candor. It is nice to have a new heat magnet in this section so I get a break!
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Saysold1,

You might thing that you speak with no disrespect, but I respectfully disagree. The way you speak to people on here is very condescending. The way people treat others on the Café is a reflection of the way they treat others in real life. It's kind of sad. Grown men speaking in this manner.

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but that's why you don't hear from me often.

You're right about one thing. I should definitely get out of this kitchen. All I see is an abyss of negativity. I for one will pass. My life is much too precious to allow the infiltration of all this toxicity.

Wishing you all much success!

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On May 12, 2015, JoshLondonMagic wrote:
I don't use ThumbTack, GigMasters, GigSalad or any of those other sites. Do a search on Google for "san diego magician" and you'll see my websites come up on the first page 4-5 different times.
So, why would I need to be on those sites when I am all over Google?



Being "all over Google" is only impressive, if that is the desired strategy to optimize ones business model. I can see where the website then becomes a critical factor, but in other models it is relegated to a much lower level of importance.

Also, I think this needs to be said - unless one specifically asks for opinions here about their website content (or is making suggestions about such topics), their materials should not be introduced into the discussion. That is simply good etiquette.



CHARLIECHECKERS FOR PRESIDENT!!!

It's so nice to start seeing others step up and say what some of us have been trying to say all along.

Some of these guys do only pop in for these exact situations, to offer an opinion (often a counter opinion just to hear themselves ruffle some features) or to flame. These tech guys are delusional to think that every business model requires SEO and the such to succeed. They are one trick ponies. They only come on for these SEO, tech or website threads and never contribute anything else - or of course to plug their books, services, etc.

Many, as a matter of fact, the majority of entertainers for years, decades and generations have succeeded without SEO and this tech stuff. Many business models don't use or require it at all. But these tech guys only speak one language and think this is one avenue and model is necessary and beneficial to everyone and anyone not using it is wrong or missing out. It's black or white to them.

I'm enjoying others starting to finally speak their mind and stepping up when they see this type of thing or nonsense. For so long I'd get continual PMs stating agreement when myself or others call someone out on their BS, but I have always been disappointed and not understood why these same guys won't publicly address this and state these opinions. As Brett says if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen. I agree when guys are peddling nonsense they should be called out on it.

I also agree it an insult to the community for those guys only to come around when things are happy for lucky and not when things become hot. It's pick and choose participation as it suits them. Some only post when they have a new blog, a new interview, or product. Where are these guys for the rest of the community?

It's funny to me Brett's only been coming here a short time and has got the people and habits of these guys pegged already. I'm sure he also notices when these guys are absent how this area takes on an entire different tone and is one of the most helpful, productive and beneficial areas of The Magic Café. This is why some of us have such a sense of opening up ourselves and sharing here to truly help others.
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I don't remember peddling anything in my posts in this thread. I simply have a set of skills, knowledge and experience in SEO and PPC and many, many entertainers are looking for ways to boost their online visibility and get out from under these review site's thumbs.

I'll bow out of this one though for the same reasons Lou pointed out.

Josh
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I would prefer it if more 'main stream' magicians were dismissive of kid show magicians (as most are). I'd like the gold mine to remain buried.
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Brett does not speak condescending. He speaks like a guy who has no time for bs in his life. There is a big difference. Just saying.
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Saysold1,

You might thing that you speak with no disrespect, but I respectfully disagree. The way you speak to people on here is very condescending. The way people treat others on the Café is a reflection of the way they treat others in real life. It's kind of sad. Grown men speaking in this manner.

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but that's why you don't hear from me often.

You're right about one thing. I should definitely get out of this kitchen. All I see is an abyss of negativity. I for one will pass. My life is much too precious to allow the infiltration of all this toxicity.

Wishing you all much success!

Lou Serrano


Lou -

Then I bid you adieu sir - you are a superb performer and if you don't like the sandbox then choose another place to play. I've been around here for a long time and I have nothing to prove.

Wishing you much and continued success!
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On another note why do the kids magicians seem to be such know it alls when it comes to web sites and business?

I'm tired.


Better question is why those who do not perform magic seem to be the worlds foremost authority. ON EVERYTHING.
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Back to the original subject of thumb tack

Part of the pricing on thumbtack depends on where in the country you are. If you look at the average prices thumbtack posts they are usually higher in California.
I am in the Washington DC market which is not inexpensive but there are some guys that work for $175 for a show. They are not my competition.

Thumbtack is mostly low quality leads because of how they collect leads. They get a limited amount of information no phone number or email address and thumbtack calls that a lead which is sold to the first five people that will pay for it. The first response can only be through The thumbtack website.

Funny thing though magicians are one of the few services has a PPC campaign for.

Wonder why?
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Personally I don't like thumbtack

In DC their ad campaign on Google reads "awesome magic for less" "get competing quotes"
Nothing could be further from the truth. Good quality isn't cheap, cheap doesn't give you good quality.
Thumbtack makes magicians look like an interchangeable commodity and sells them as such.

Also thumbtack pushes children's magicians and does no real advertising for adult and or corporate work. That's good for me because they aren't in my space but bad because it reinforces the public perception that magicians are only suitable as entertainment for children

they have made my job a little harder because I have to work more to differentiate myself from others.


That's okay, many in Northern Virginia will pay for quality.
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Also thumbtack pushes children's magicians and does no real advertising for adult and or corporate work. That's good for me because they aren't in my space but bad because it reinforces the public perception that magicians are only suitable as entertainment for children


Yes, and there's no way to avoid getting children's magic requests. I probably ignore 30 kid's show requests for every 1 request that is a corporate or adult private event. But those corporate events I've booked from it I would have never had otherwise, and have mostly been awesome events at reasonable pay that led to repeat bookings and/or referrals.

They key for me is being extremely, extremely picky when responding. But I can afford to be picky, because I don't rely on it for income.
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