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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
I lived through Carter. He was a stumbling clusterf@@k without a vision that could be articulated. Rankings will always change over time. To say that Carter was better than George W. is a little hard to swallow. Depends on ranking criteria. A President should inspire and lead with a vision - what all good CEOs do. Reagan had that and was an incredible counterpoint to Carter in that regard. Obama does not have an articulate vision or one he doesn't want to articulate. Teddy had one, Franklin had one. Some driven by necessity, some by ideas of making things better. Like they say 'Some people become president to be somebody, some become president to do something'. Obama seems to be in the 'be somebody' club. If we look at standard of living and how people feel about our country presently, then Obama is losing. The US is the strongest country in the world militarily and will remain that way for a long time. We control the air and sea. We are not behind in the things that count. Everyone else in the world knows that. Obama and almost no President will change that. However, how the country feels about itself and where we are going does reside at the President's door. According to all the polls, he's losing on that too.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: "Carter territory" isn't exactly what you'd have us believe either, Bob. Certainly not "one of our better presidents," and 27th out of 44 is well below average.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I am perfectly in sync. But if you cannot take a little ball busting then you have issues, and a "superiority complex". I would like to add. However this is just my opinion. No presided should be ranked while in office. That is ridiculous.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, The Hermit wrote: At least Carter never fabricated evidence to invade an independent nation.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
IF that is a reference to GW and WMD, then you need to prove that HE fabricated it. Or, could it be that intelligence got it wrong. Which happens often (Bengahzi). GW was not great President. But remember all those who opposed the war when they needed to, voted for it (Kerry, Hillary). Obama likes to say he opposed it, but he was not a Senator and did not have the ability to vote against it. We'll never really know what he would have done at the time (people wanted a response) when voting for was a better option. To make a statement that Carter never fabricated evidence is a knee jerk opinion, not a fact.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, acesover wrote: Says the guy who regularly preaches to us all. But when it comes to you, no complex is required. |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
Maybe you just have a complex superiority. Which is better than a superiority complex. More nuanced.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I agree that would be more accurate.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I feel I never preach. Maybe My interputaation of preaching is wrong. however I feel that preaching is trying to convert someone to your way of thinking. My posts are nothing more than my opinions and we all know about opinions.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Relax- You throw barbs at me and I throw back. We both seem to enjoy it.
So stop preaching to me. |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
So, it's agreed we're not going to talk about the original subject anymore.
Moderators, can I get a padlock on this thing? Thx.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Ha, ha. I know I enjoy it. Honest we have gone at it hot and heavy...sometimes to much. But believe it or not I respect you and I really like you.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
Psst... I heard he likes you too...
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, acesover wrote: Likewise. Now go get your shine box. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Hard not to avoid Godwin with statements like this:
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A President should inspire and lead with a vision - what all good CEOs do. To have a hellish vision is not necessarily a good thing.
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
Even mentioning Godwin inkoves Godwin.
Thread done. |
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RNK Inner circle 7528 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: True. As Carter really did much of nothing but cause double digit interest raise.
Check out Bafflingbob.com
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RNK Inner circle 7528 Posts |
Quote: On Sep 5, 2014, RNK wrote:
Check out Bafflingbob.com
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You really need to review your history. Ever hear of the Camp David Accords?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, RNK wrote: Which part of this graph did Carter "cause"?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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