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What do the last 5 or more pages have to do with Guns don't kill people... Smile



Umm...

They are posted in a thread titled "Guns don't kill people..."

What do I win?


NOTHING...you did not answer the question.
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They are responses to claims that civilian militarization is desirable. They are spot on topic.
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What do the last 5 or more pages have to do with Guns don't kill people... Smile

I mean it is the topic of this thread.


Staying on topic is something that you haven't been concerned with in the past. Why now? (Didn't you manage to get abortion into the thread?)


While I agree with Bob, I would add that staying on topic isn't something that 'anyone' at NVMS is terribly concerned with.
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True. It's just kind of accepted that we go wherever the conversation happens to take us.
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Yes- that's the biggest part of the math, but numbers like that are difficult for me to fathom. All for nothing.


All for nothing now since the current administration pulled out and let ISIS take over what we accomplished.


The current administration followed the rules set up by the PREVIOUS administration. George W. knew he'd be safely out of office by the time the troops had to be withdrawn and whoever WAS in office would get the heat for it.
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Yes- that's the biggest part of the math, but numbers like that are difficult for me to fathom. All for nothing.


All for nothing now since the current administration pulled out and let ISIS take over what we accomplished.


The current administration followed the rules set up by the PREVIOUS administration. George W. knew he'd be safely out of office by the time the troops had to be withdrawn and whoever WAS in office would get the heat for it.
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Not sure why that just happened. Sorry.
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Yes- that's the biggest part of the math, but numbers like that are difficult for me to fathom. All for nothing.


All for nothing now since the current administration pulled out and let ISIS take over what we accomplished.


The current administration followed the rules set up by the PREVIOUS administration. George W. knew he'd be safely out of office by the time the troops had to be withdrawn and whoever WAS in office would get the heat for it.



This is just LOL. Troop withdrawals were major campaign promises for Obama. Now that it seems like maybe it wasn't a great idea, he has no autonomy for them and he was just following Bush's decision? What other rule of law has he felt so tied to?
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They are sending the troops back in through the back door via the new nato spearhead army. We have just put a 1000 into that pot.
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Yes- that's the biggest part of the math, but numbers like that are difficult for me to fathom. All for nothing.


All for nothing now since the current administration pulled out and let ISIS take over what we accomplished.


The current administration followed the rules set up by the PREVIOUS administration. George W. knew he'd be safely out of office by the time the troops had to be withdrawn and whoever WAS in office would get the heat for it.



This is a joke right? Why does the current administration take credit for it while it happens and pass the blame when it seems to be sort of short sighted? A fine example of cheering for your team under any circumstance. At what point is the current administration responsible for what is happening? 6 years in and still nothing this administration has done they are responsible for. Well obviously the things they want to claim credit for.

Why was it he was not merely the occupant of the office when Bin Laden was killed? No he planned that one huh?

Consistency would be way too much to ask for I guess.
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I'll be consistent. The President was not only obligated to withdraw pursuant to the status of forces agreement signed by the previous administration, but it was the right thing to do in any case. Far too many American and civilian lives were lost in that pointless and arguably illegal war, which was purely motivated by oil and greed.
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What do the last 5 or more pages have to do with Guns don't kill people... Smile

I mean it is the topic of this thread.


Staying on topic is something that you haven't been concerned with in the past. Why now? (Didn't you manage to get abortion into the thread?)


Did I bring it in or just comment on it when it was brought in?

Also did your response in any way answer my question?
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Yes- that's the biggest part of the math, but numbers like that are difficult for me to fathom. All for nothing.


All for nothing now since the current administration pulled out and let ISIS take over what we accomplished.


The current administration followed the rules set up by the PREVIOUS administration. George W. knew he'd be safely out of office by the time the troops had to be withdrawn and whoever WAS in office would get the heat for it.



This is a joke right? Why does the current administration take credit for it while it happens and pass the blame when it seems to be sort of short sighted? A fine example of cheering for your team under any circumstance. At what point is the current administration responsible for what is happening? 6 years in and still nothing this administration has done they are responsible for. Well obviously the things they want to claim credit for.

Why was it he was not merely the occupant of the office when Bin Laden was killed? No he planned that one huh?

Consistency would be way too much to ask for I guess.


Consistency would be nice... from his critics as well. If Obama HADN'T withdrawn the troops, he'd be accused now of abusing his power and refusing to follow the agreement that was left to him by the previous administration. But because he DID follow that agreement, he's accused of abandoning the area. Actually, I'll take my first line back, we DO get consistency from Obama's critics. It doesn't matter what he does, he'll get crap for it.
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What do the last 5 or more pages have to do with Guns don't kill people... Smile

I mean it is the topic of this thread.


Staying on topic is something that you haven't been concerned with in the past. Why now? (Didn't you manage to get abortion into the thread?)


Did I bring it in or just comment on it when it was brought in?

Also did your response in any way answer my question?


You always bring up something that's off-topic. You didn't object at all when abortion was brought into this one. In fact, you relished it and embellished it. And, yes, I did answer your question when I said that we frequently go off-topic as we follow the flow of the conversation, as you well know since you do it as well.

Try to keep up. Smile
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Yes- that's the biggest part of the math, but numbers like that are difficult for me to fathom. All for nothing.


All for nothing now since the current administration pulled out and let ISIS take over what we accomplished.


The current administration followed the rules set up by the PREVIOUS administration. George W. knew he'd be safely out of office by the time the troops had to be withdrawn and whoever WAS in office would get the heat for it.



This is a joke right? Why does the current administration take credit for it while it happens and pass the blame when it seems to be sort of short sighted? A fine example of cheering for your team under any circumstance. At what point is the current administration responsible for what is happening? 6 years in and still nothing this administration has done they are responsible for. Well obviously the things they want to claim credit for.

Why was it he was not merely the occupant of the office when Bin Laden was killed? No he planned that one huh?

Consistency would be way too much to ask for I guess.


Exactly- current administration is constantly playing the blame game. Sad- no responsibility only blame.
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Please provide documented examples of that.
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Don't they all play the blame game?

Oil Prices

“The key thing that is driving higher gas prices is actually the world’s oil markets and uncertainty about what’s going on in Iran and the Middle East, and that’s adding a $20 or $30 premium to oil prices.”

– March 23, 2012

Solyndra

“Obviously, we wish Solyndra hadn’t gone bankrupt. Part of the reason they did was because the Chinese were subsidizing their solar industry and flooding the market in ways that Solyndra couldn’t compete. But understand, this was not our program per se. Congress–Democrats and Republicans–put together a loan guarantee program.”

– March 22, 2012

Afghanistan

“When I came into office there has been drift in the Afghanistan strategy, in part because we had spent a lot of time focusing on Iraq instead. Over the last three years we have refocused attention on getting Afghanistan right. Would my preference had been that we started some of that earlier? Absolutely. But that’s not the cards that were dealt. We’re now in a position where, given our starting point, we’re making progress.”

– March 14, 2012

Iran

“When I took office, the efforts to apply pressure on Iran were in tatters. Iran had gone from zero centrifuges spinning to thousands, without facing broad pushback from the world. In the region, Iran was ascendant.”

– March 4, 2012

The Economy

“We’ve made sure to do everything we can to dig ourselves out of this incredible hole that I inherited.”

– February 23, 2012

The Deficit:

“We thought that it was entirely appropriate for our governments and our agencies to try to root out waste, large and small, in a systematic way. Obviously, this is even more important given the deficits that we’ve inherited and that have grown as a consequence of this recession.”

– November 9, 2011

“When I first walked through the door, the deficit stood at $1.3 trillion, with projected deficits of $8 trillion over the next decade. If we had taken office during ordinary times, we would have started bringing down these deficits immediately.”

– February 1, 2010

The Debt:

“Look, we do have a serious problem in terms of debt and deficit, and much of it I inherited when I showed up.”

– August 8, 2011

“I inherited a big debt.”

– March 29, 2011

Unemployment:

“We inherited the worst recession since the Great Depression, a banking system on the verge of meltdown. We had lost 4 million jobs by the time I was sworn in and would then lose another 4 million in the few months right after I was sworn in before our economic policies had a chance to take root.”

– May 10, 2011

The BP Gulf Oil Spill

“In this instance, the oil industry’s cozy and sometimes corrupt relationship with government regulators meant little or no regulation at all. When Secretary Salazar took office, he found a Minerals and Management Service that had been plagued by corruption for years –- this was the agency charged with not only providing permits, but also enforcing laws governing oil drilling.”

– May 27, 2010

Decline of the nuclear stockpile

“Among the many challenges our administration inherited was the slow but steady decline in support for our nuclear stockpile and infrastructure, and for our highly trained nuclear work force.” (This one was offered up on Obama’s behalf by Vice President Biden).

– January 29, 2010

The Election of Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.)

“The same thing that swept Scott Brown into office swept me into office. People are angry, and they’re frustrated. Not just because of what’s happened in the last year or two years, but what’s happened over the last eight years.”

– January 20, 2010

Anti-Americanism

“I took office at a time when many around the world had come to view America with skepticism and distrust. Part of this was due to misperceptions and misinformation about my country. Part of this was due to opposition to specific policies, and a belief that on certain critical issues, America has acted unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others. And this has fed an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for collective inaction.”

– September 23, 2009

The Financial Crisis

“We inherited a financial crisis unlike any that we’ve seen in our time. This crisis crippled private capital markets and forced us to take steps in our financial system — and with our auto companies — that we would not have otherwise even considered.”

– June 1, 2009
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But it is the guns that make them go REALLY fast.


But it's the gunpowder actually that propels them. Smile
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It's not what propels them that is the problem but the people who can not dodge them that is. Bullet proof cloths might be the answer.
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Gunpowder works because of chemistry. Chemistry works because of the creator. Hey, so that's whose fault it is...
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