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Curious here. Who are you accusing of being stupid? According to what you posted no state laws were broken. Were some federal laws broken and they let it pass?

The New Hampshire man “didn’t break any (state) laws because there were no bullets with” the 9mm Beretta, Londonderry police Lt. Kevin Cavallaro said. The man also had a conceal carry permit.

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On Aug. 28, screeners recovered a loaded .38 caliber Sig Sauer in the carry-on luggage of a 57-year-old man who was flying from Manchester to Baltimore.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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For those folks who think arming teachers in the schools is a good idea.

From NBC News website:

Teacher Accidentally Shoots Self in Leg at School

A Utah elementary school teacher who was carrying a concealed firearm at school accidentally shot herself in the leg when the weapon discharged in a faculty bathroom shortly before classes started Thursday morning, officials said. Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley said the teacher at Westbrook Elementary School, in the Salt Lake City suburb of Taylorsville, was severely injured when the bullet entered and exited her leg, and she was rushed to a hospital. She was in good condition and alert at the hospital by midmorning, Horsley said.

No other faculty or students witnessed the shooting, but they might have heard the gunshot or seen the teacher as she was taken out of the school to the hospital, he said. Classes were continuing as usual, and crisis counselors were available, Horsley said. Officials were still investigating how the gun discharged. "This just appears at this point in time to be an accident," he said.

He wouldn't release details about the woman or what she taught, but he noted she was carrying the weapon legally with a concealed firearm permit. Utah is among the few states that allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry guns in public schools, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Teachers are not required to disclose they're carrying a weapon, and administrators are prohibited from asking.

Sounds like she needs a bit more training.
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As more and more of these mass shootings are occurring, are you Bob saying that you're against having armed teachers to possibly save lives by either distracting or taking down the suspect with firepower? Or would the best scenario be that all the teachers are unarmed and one of them has to attempt to tackle the guy while he's shooting as he please's, killing a roomful of children? If you could rewind time, would you rather of had that teacher at sandyhook be armed with a gun or would you just have let the scene unfold as it did. I think you'd prefer that teacher to be armed to protect those little kids, but I suspect that you're going to throw in an excuse somewhere as to why the teacher shouldn't have been armed if they weren't trained. Even if they weren't trained, would you rather have an untrained teacher armed with a firearm be able to defend the students, or just sit there with them and take the bullets?

The more teachers that arm themselves, the greater likelihood of an armed teacher being able to confront a shooter rises. It's an odds game, but you'd probably rather hedge your bets on a football player tackling the guy, eh? Why does the Left almost always have a problem with law abiding citizens being armed? It's usually not them that you have to worry about, it's the NON LAW ABIDING citizens that you have to worry about. Everyone needs to be defenseless outside of their homes if the Left had their way, i.e. no firearms, maybe just be allowed to carry some pepper spray. The bad guys LOVE LOVE LOVE this foolish type of thinking!!
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We shouldn't let FBI, DEA or the POLICE carry guns either.

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On Sep 11, 2014, slowkneenuh wrote:
For those folks who think arming teachers in the schools is a good idea.

From NBC News website:

Teacher Accidentally Shoots Self in Leg at School

A Utah elementary school teacher who was carrying a concealed firearm at school accidentally shot herself in the leg when the weapon discharged in a faculty bathroom shortly before classes started Thursday morning, officials said. Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley said the teacher at Westbrook Elementary School, in the Salt Lake City suburb of Taylorsville, was severely injured when the bullet entered and exited her leg, and she was rushed to a hospital. She was in good condition and alert at the hospital by midmorning, Horsley said.

From last week, University instructor shoots self:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/03......n-campus
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Can't wait to see the spin the first time a teacher accidentally shoots a student.

There are people who specialize in security if you feel the need. Let them do their jobs.


Armed security would be a step in the right direction. I'm glad you're willing to at least allow that step.
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See Mystifications post. All you knuckleheads wanting to show one or two posts where a teacher uses a handgun in an unsafe manner, well, we can match you with Police, Military, FBI, CIA etc. etc. doing the same thing.....but surely you are not suggesting we disarm all the military and police....right??
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That was my point about it as well. Easy to cherry pick incidents to prove a point.

I mean if 20% of car crashes are caused by drunk drivers then it seems the real problem is people who drive sober if you ask me.

This is the main problem with all of this nonsense. People take a position on guns or global warming then find experts and statistics to back it up. Then the call it an informed opinion and say anyone who disagrees is stupid and evil.
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Can't wait to see the spin the first time a teacher accidentally shoots a student.

There are people who specialize in security if you feel the need. Let them do their jobs.


Armed security would be a step in the right direction. I'm glad you're willing to at least allow that step.


I've got no problem with armed and licensed security professionals. Never did.
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You may not, but during the Sandy Hook thread, (long since deleted), there were several that were quite outraged with the idea and insisted that an armed officer at Sandy Hook would have only resulted in one or more deaths than did occur. But I'm glad you weren't one of them.
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I was against arming teachers and supported the idea of assigning police officers to the schools.
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I was against arming teachers and supported the idea of assigning police officers to the schools.


Who might be better at protection people anyhow. That is just crazy enough to work. (The police might be better that is.)
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Way back when I was in high school we had a cop assigned there. (But, then again, at my school you'd often find a guy leaning up against your locker wearing black leather and carrying a chain and switch blade- and he was the Principal.)
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School Resource Officers are an excellent idea. When I taught, I thought that they were an excellent addition to the school, mainly for the personal guidance they offered to many students. The SRO is part of a broad community-based view of policing.

Stationing police as armed guards at schools would be an enormous expense, and is probably unsustainable.
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Way back when I was in high school we had a cop assigned there. (But, then again, at my school you'd often find a guy leaning up against your locker wearing black leather and carrying a chain and switch blade- and he was the Principal.)


Did you go to school in a Happy Days episode?
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My whole life was a Happy Days episode back then. Well, maybe a bit more like Blackboard Jungle.
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What would poses you to post a Rodney King video exactly?
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