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On Aug 28, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
60% Of Canadians favor unrestricted abortions. Funny the things you miss. My guess is you know some of the 60%.


Danny- That's not really fair. You asked who favored no restrictions on guns. Balducci responded with a CNN poll that showed 13% favored no restrictions- a direct answer to your question.

But rather than acknowledge that, you just ignored it and asked why 60% of Canadians favor unrestricted abortions. (And the gratuitous, "My guess is you know some of the 60%.")

That's pure deflection. We're not talking about abortion here. You just didn't like the answer you got so you changed the subject.

Surely you can see that.

The CNN poll says that 13% favor NO restrictions on guns. That was what you asked about.
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And don't forget, the abortion poll was from a conservative source, while the gun poll was from...uhhh...CNN.
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And don't forget, the abortion poll was from a conservative source, while the gun poll was from...uhhh...CNN.


IMO, the result in the CNN (which IMO is less liberal than the national post is conservative) poll is consistent with evidence from other sources from various (right and left) spectrum of the media. Do you really believe it is not?

The abortion poll was not consistent with most other polling on the subject.
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And don't forget, the abortion poll was from a conservative source, while the gun poll was from...uhhh...CNN.


IMO, the result in the CNN (which IMO is less liberal than the national post is conservative) poll is consistent with evidence from other sources from various (right and left) spectrum of the media. Do you really believe it is not?

The abortion poll was not consistent with most other polling on the subject.


I think that a certain percentage of people favor unrestricted gun ownership, and a certain percentage (three times as many, from the links you provided) favor unrestricted abortion. I think the actual numbers don't matter, with respect to Danny's point; he was simply running a consistency check - How many people adopt the latter stance because of the same slippery slope argument that they pooh-pooh from people who use it to justify the former stance?
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The abortion poll was simply cited to to divert from the topic. Danny asked how many people favored no restrictions on guns. Balducci provided an answer. Danny responded by bringing up an unrelated topic.

And, yes, CNN is considerably more middle of the road than either FOX or MSNBC.
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The abortion poll was simply cited to to divert from the topic. Danny asked how many people favored no restrictions on guns. Balducci provided an answer. Danny responded by bringing up an unrelated topic.

At least no one has (AFAIK) played the "it is too soon after the tragedy ,and passions are still too inflamed, to talk about gun control now" card.
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The abortion poll was simply cited to to divert from the topic. Danny asked how many people favored no restrictions on guns. Balducci provided an answer. Danny responded by bringing up an unrelated topic.

And, yes, CNN is considerably more middle of the road than either FOX or MSNBC.


Danny brought up abortion before Balducci joined the thread, and he did so for a specific reason; to question the consistency of that segment of the population who make a slippery slope argument about abortion regulation then object to those who do so about gun regulation.
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On Aug 28, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
The abortion poll was simply cited to to divert from the topic. Danny asked how many people favored no restrictions on guns. Balducci provided an answer. Danny responded by bringing up an unrelated topic.

At least no one has (AFAIK) played the "it is too soon after the tragedy ,and passions are still too inflamed, to talk about gun control now" card.


Don't give anyone ideas!
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The abortion poll was simply cited to to divert from the topic. Danny asked how many people favored no restrictions on guns. Balducci provided an answer. Danny responded by bringing up an unrelated topic.

And, yes, CNN is considerably more middle of the road than either FOX or MSNBC.


Danny brought up abortion before Balducci joined the thread, and he did so for a specific reason; to question the consistency of that segment of the population who make a slippery slope argument about abortion regulation then object to those who do so about gun regulation.


I lost the sequence of posts there. But Danny also raised the abortion issue immediately after Balducci answered his question about those who favored no gun regulations.

Sorry for confusing the issue even further. But abortion really doesn't have anything to do with the topic.
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Danny's point isn't about abortion, per se; it's about consistency. I agree that he's running without being chased, as nobody has attacked (or even made) the "slippery slope" argument. Nevertheless, it's certainly true that the most die-hard advocates of both guns and abortion use that argument, and his point about people using the argument when it suits them and rejecting it when it doesn't does have some validity.
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Bob you have the order concurrently mixed up.

I ASKED the slippery slope argument. Then balducci claimed to know of nobody who wanted unrestricted abortions. I posted the poll.

So let's keep the order correct as I am not deflecting anything such as attacking the alleged bias. Certainly you see the difference.

Lobo they not only use it when convenient but decry and attack it as specious when it suits the needs.

Indeed the point has little to do with abortions or guns but inconsistent people
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Lobo they not only use it when convenient but decry and attack it as specious when it suits the needs.


I agree that some people do; however, (in this thread at least) nobody has yet attacked (or even made) the slippery slope argument, so I think your counteroffensive here is a bit premature.
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Sorry if I confused the sequence. But I think you do agree that there are indeed people who don't believe there should be ANY restrictions on gun ownership.

We do seem to have something momentous that's happened on this thread, though. So far, NO ONE seems to think that 9 year olds should be allowed to fire fully automatic pistols. But, just to be sure, are there any here who have no problem with it?
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Sorry if I confused the sequence. But I think you do agree that there are indeed people who don't believe there should be ANY restrictions on gun ownership.

We do seem to have something momentous that's happened on this thread, though. So far, NO ONE seems to think that 9 year olds should be allowed to fire fully automatic pistols. But, just to be sure, are there any here who have no problem with it?


And indeed people who don't believe there should be ANY gun ownership.
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While no one has said slippery slope it is the position used to justify kids with an Uzi and abortion on demand unlimited. The extremes. Why point to be he extremes? In order to paint your side more reasonable.

Nobody here though kids should use an uzi supervised did they?
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Well since I don't believe that no one should own guns and also don't believe that 9 year olds, whether supervised or not, should be permitted to fire automatic weapons, I don't think I'm on either extreme.

I was just wondering if there 's anyone here who thinks that 9 year olds should be permitted to fire Uzis, whether supervised or not.

But to refine it a bit- Are there any here who think they should be able to fire them if they are supervised? (as was the case in Nevada)
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Just out of curiosity, how many posters in this thread would approve of Uzi lessons for pot heads?
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For s while it wasn't safe to be Catholic or protestant and walk your streets. School bus bombings were the norm in your Irish paradise.

What study have you done to back up the claim about drugs?

Your first statement, not technically true. The war was in Northern Ireland, a separate state sharing the same island. Down south it was safe at all times. Up north, 3,000 deaths. School bus bombings were rare, though. Only a handful during a twenty year conflict.

As for my study to back up the claims about drugs, I have written three books about the drugs wars over here. So plenty of facts to back up my assertions.

But despite the gang wars, and the actual war on half the island, we still don't have a gun culture over here. The USA has a problem, and most Americans are too hung up on various Amendment rights to even see it.
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