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rockwall Special user 762 Posts 
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Can't most accidents be avoided somehow?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21491 Posts
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I think this one certainly could have.
And that is the point that most accidents can be avoided.
Danny Doyle
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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I 'think' we agree. My point was simply that because it could have been avoided doesn't make it NOT an accident.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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Personally, I wouldn't dream of letting any nine year child touch any gun in any normal circumstances. I think the government ought to charged with negligence for making laws that allow it.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 194 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Technically, you are correct Lobo. TonyB did bring up "race." But imo, Rockwall injected racism into the discussion. So that's the word I probably should have used. Nevertheless, you'd have to be pretty naive to deny the racial (racist?) overtones of the post. Just saying. I agree wholeheartedly that it is fairly typical around here to focus much more scrutiny on those you disagree with. Thanks. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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I don't agree with your analysis, but I appreciate your response. In the interest of remaining an active Magic Café member, I won't elaborate.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: Danny, read one of my books. I am not going to do the work for you. Or consider prohibition. During the prohibition era disorganised thuggery morphed into organised crime syndicates, which are now so firmly entrenched they are almost impossible for law enforcement to defeat. The western world's prohibition on soft drugs is having the same effect. I lived in Limerick for a decade, in the heart of the gang war here. Without illegal soft drugs there would have been no gangs. And half the murders in Ireland today are gang related.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2014, The Hermit wrote: There is a big difference between a gun culture and a hunting culture. From your post you sound like a hunter, and I agree, there is nothing inherently redneck about being a hunter. Here is a question to consider - would you use an Uzi on the hunt? I suspect not. Finland, a country I spend a lot of time in, has a hunting culture. Lots of people own guns. Very few own handguns or assault rifles, or Uzis. It is a hunting culture rather than a gun culture. The guns are just tools, and they use the appropriate ones in the appropriate settings. A lot of America has a gun culture rather than a hunting culture - Uzis, handguns, carrying concealed weapons in urban settings. There's the redneck element.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Family Feud is the more comprehensive book, but difficult to get a hold of. Blood on the Streets is more lightweight and populist. I liked your comment about the qualification to be a writer is access to a pen or a computer. With self-publishing, unfortunately very very true. Unrelated to the topic under discussion, but a guy once presented me with his book and asked me to show it to my publishers. It was 120,000 words long, all in CAPS and without a single punctuation mark or paragraph break. The mind boggles.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Not many legal concealed weapons in urban settings. That's one of the reasons criminals thrive there.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2014, TonyB2009 wrote: I found a copy of Family Feud...it's on the way.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21491 Posts
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So you make claims and don't give data?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts
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Is there something someone can post to get this thread deleted?
 It is the same rhetoric on guns over and over again.
Lets see now: All guns are bad. No they aren't. Yes they are. It is the individual not the gun. It is the gun. If we banned all guns everything would be fine. No it wouldn't. Yes it would. America has a terrible gun culture and all the other countries are better. You are wrong. No I am not. there was a poll that said guns are bad. Well I have one that says guns are good. Yours is biased mine isn't. Joe Blow says guns are bad. Well I say that, Joe Blow is a left wing liberal. John Smith says guns are good and necessary. Well I say that, John Smith is a right wing conservative redneck. People should not be allowed to buy the kind of guns I do not like because I say so. I think those black ones are bad and are made for killing and not for anything else. But there are thousands and thousands of them that never killed anyone. Yea well just wait. And on and on. Oh yeah. Well what about abortion? WHAT? Does this sound familiar?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5195 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Not sure if you're still addressing my analogy concerning 9 year old driving semis, but if you are: I disagree totally. Making an activity that is inherently dangerous legal necessarily creates fault. Maybe not legally, but certainly morally to my mind. Baseball is not inherently dangerous. A 9 year old shooting an Uzi is. No study needs to be done of how many people 9 year old Uzi-toters don't kill--as you yourself pointed out you would not give an Uzi to a 9 year old. I contend no reasonable person would. That's standard enough for me.
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On Aug 29, 2014, rockwall wrote: And are you prepared to support policies that address the conditions that cause those tragedies or is this just a talking point?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2014, landmark wrote: Free will gets such a bad rap anymore.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2014, landmark wrote: I'm not being facetious here: What do you mean by "inherently dangerous"? I think it would possibly be a misnomer to say that a nine year old shooting an Uzi at a firing range with a qualified instructor is more inherently dangerous than adults playing baseball if baseball caused more deaths per capita. I would assume, though, that you would agree that boxing is inherently dangerous, and therefore legislators are at fault for each boxing death, as it is not illegal?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21491 Posts
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Drugs are inherently dangerous. We outlaw the very dangerous ones. Look how that works out for curbing the behavior.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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I wish Stone were here. That said, I find it really interesting that some believe that there a moral responsibility to do things that others don't believe there's even a moral right to do.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5195 Posts
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I'm not being facetious here: What do you mean by "inherently dangerous"? I think I already answered that--that which a reasonable person--say yourself-- would consider dangerous. And yes there are grey areas. But that doesn't mean there are not black and white areas as well. A nine year old with an Uzi is inherently dangerous. You can break down the component parts if you like: Nine year old + Uzi= Inherent Danger. The analogy to drugs fails. Drugs are a danger only to the taker, and taken with consent. A nine year old cannot give informed consent. With regard to boxing, do you think cockfighting should be legal? How about boxing with nine year olds?
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