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And in other recent gun news, a "Cops" TV show crew member was accidentally fatally shot by the police...
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/official......878.html So even in the hands of the most qualified experts, innocent bystanders can die. So much for the notion held by some that if you arm all the good guys (your average law abiding citizens), then when one of these mass shootings occurs the bad guy can be "neutralized" with no collateral damage. When bullets fly, people die. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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On Aug 27, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: The original poster asked me, when he posted on an open forum. I thought you might understand that. It's fairly basic really. And what has soccer to do with me? It is as alien to Irish culture as handing an uzi to a nine-year-old. The parents were morons, and the gun instructor was a moron. They share culpability. But the red-necks who insist on your silly gun laws are equally culpabable. You won't find a nine year old using an uzi in Europe, Canada, Australia, most of Asia... Need I go on?
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On Aug 28, 2014, TonyB2009 wrote: Sorry to have missed such an obvious point! So "The rest of the world is getting fed up sympathizing with you over these incidents." Was directed at he original poster, who offered a link without commentary and was apparently, in fact, a Scot. Ok, that makes sense. Quote:
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But the red-necks who insist on your silly gun laws are equally culpabable. I disagree wholeheartedly.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2014, R.S. wrote: I'm not sure anyone (here, at least) has taken that position, but at least that particular straw man has been killed and poses no further threat.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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I definitely believe that people should be able to have firearms, I also believe in people being able to open carry, I also believe that people shoulde be able to own AK-47's, AR-15's with 100 round clips. When I say people, I mean law abiding citizens. As for this 9 yr old shooting an Uzi? That instructor should of had his hand lightly resting on top of the gun to ensure it wouldn't go astray. But IMO, the 9 yr old probably shouldn't have been shooting the gun, as she didn't have the strength to keep it under control. Maybe if she was in her teens and has shown to be proficient? Shooting guns is a lot of people hobby, but it has to be handled responsibly and I do not believe this incident was.
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On Aug 28, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: No - it was aimed at you, and people like you, who justify the horrific toll of deaths because you still hark back to the days when you were part of the Empire, and trying to get out of it. The world has changed. You don't need the right to carry weapons any more. You have not needed that right in more than a hundred and fifty years (or, if you are one of the oppressed African Americans, fifty years). The rest of the world does not have these incidents, because we live in the twentieth century. What happened in Ferguson does not happen in Europe. What happened in Omaha this week does not happen in Europe. Nine year-olds don't use Uzi's in Europe. Be in no doubt; the comment was aimed at you and other apologists for stupidity.
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On Aug 28, 2014, TonyB2009 wrote: The rest of the world doesn't have these incidents? Really? |
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Every time I had to go onto the range while in the service, I was always nervous. And this was with highly trained and dedicated instructors and shooters that are mature and already have some training. I cannot fathom the thought if taking a gun to a gun range, let alone giving them an UZI. While the parents and instructor are complete idiots it's heartbreaking to know the little girl will be the one paying for rest of her life.
It is a bit embarrassing to be an American at times...gun control, capital punishment, and other issues. Unfortunately the culture and system of change prevent any quick actions to be done...
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2014, TonyB2009 wrote: Did Mark Duggan tell you that?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts
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TonyB2009 +1
tomsk192 +1 I support your position.
John
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Say it ain't so! Abandoning the right to carry weapons from the "Live free or die" state?!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12587 Posts
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Lobo- It really can't seriously be denied that we have a gun culture in this country unlike any other civilized Western nation.
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Say it ain't so! Abandoning the right to carry weapons from the "Live free or die" state?! Makes sense to me. It's not the "Live free and die" state. Quote:
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I agree. And IMO, it can't seriously be argued that that culture is the sole cause to which the fact that a whopping 3.1 more people per hundred thousand are intentionally killed in the USA than Iceland is attributable, for instance. What's the line for abhorrently high rates of intentional homicide anyway, btw? Apparently if you're Tony B, it's somewhere between 1.2 per hundred thousand and 4.7 per hundred thousand. Why not 0.3 per hundred thousand? Should we not ask what barbaric cultural mores exist in Ireland that cause their intentional homicide rate to be QUADRUPLE that in Iceland?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12587 Posts
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The Irish have shillelaghs, the Icelanders have fish.
But how does the Irish homicide rate compare to the U.S.? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: It's lower. Why is it 400% what the Icelandic rate is, though?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12587 Posts
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Like I said, the Irish have shillelaghs.
I lived in Iceland for a year. There was virtually no unemployment and most of the adult male population where I lived (Keflavik) were out on fishing boats most of the day. The Irish may well have more time on their hands. |
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