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v4c4 New user 5 Posts
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Hi everyone I’m knew to the Magic Café and to Coin Magic (no totally knew I know for example the French drop, the classic palm, finger palm…) and I bought this series of videos call Encyclopedia of coin sleights buy Dr. Michael Rubinstein and I also have Bobo’s book ( I bought it a long time ago but never pay real attention to coin magic until now) and there is a lot of sleight that I want to master as the retention vanish some loads, steals, spellbound…but I don’t know how to begin. There’s a lot of material and so little time (I devote one hour every day to practice magic plus every time I can handle a coin).
So who do I begin, I must practice one sleight until I get it the another and another?…or like I read her in and article by Darwin Ortiz, make a lit of the sleight that I want to learn and divide this all over the week, let’s say the Mondays I practice Vanishes, Thursdays Spellbound?…I don’t know, please help. Any advice would be great. Thanks. Best,
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Vikke Matikainen New user Finland 60 Posts
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Start by classic palming coin in both hand and keeping them there all day!
When you feel comfortable with them, start doing palm shifts, multiple palming and try to make your hand flatter and more natural. I practiced sleights a bit and then started doing some routines. Winged silver (in bobo) is a great one to hone your classic palm and shuttle pass. For me the practical use (in a routine) is the thing that keeps me practicing. Practice in front of a mirror or even better if you have camera (cheap webcam will do). I am fortunate to have a close magic friend who is very critical on my performance, so he gives me tips and we practice together. I wish you luck on your magical journey!
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4839 Posts
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Hi, and welcome to the Café! The most important thing is to continue to practice the basics, with both hands, so you won't be limited in your ability to move left right or right left, as the case may be. Practice one basic sleight for each section of the Encyclopedia series to start, and when you've mastered the one you like, you can try a different one. So, learn one good vanish, one load, one steal, one shuttle pass, one changeover palm, etc, and only when you can do one of them well should you consider tryng another. The Bobo book has many good, basic routines. read through the book, chapter by chapter, and make sure you can master the moves and ideas taught in the book. As you advance in the book, and try different routines, you will see that one trick may fit you, while another one won't. I think Dan Watkins has a section on Bobo on his website, coinvanish.com, that might be useful to you. Remember to start simple. Don't do retention vanishes if you can't do a French drop - build up to it...get the basic mmoves down first, and remember to select the effects that appeal to you - there are some great effects in Bobo! Good luck, Mike
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v4c4 New user 5 Posts
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Thanks for the replies they are really helpfull
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Rob Johnston Inner circle Utah 2060 Posts
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Master the classic palm first of all (at least that is what I would suggest). After that, move onto some of the other basic sleights that are described in Bobo's book.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27470 Posts
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There is no prize for running through the most magic routines. Likewise there is no prize for leaning the most 'secrets' or mechanics without the skill and presentation to PERFORM them.
You might want to have a look at the basic ways to hold onto a coin both openly and secretly... then get comfortable with the combinations and transfers. There is a VAST amount of material and you have the rest of your life.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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cardguy Inner circle Queens, New York 1171 Posts
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When I first started doing coins, I thought that classic palm was the most important concealment. Now after a few years I am starting to think that finger palm is even more important. I say that one of the first things you should master is concealing a coin in a natural finger palm.
You have to fully understand the finger palm. When I first started I was doing it wrong, even though it seems so easy. In the long run, you will probably utilize the finger palm more than the classic palm, so pay attention to it. Don't pass it off as easy. Does your hand really look natural with a coin in finger palm? Did you know that the best way to grip the coin is mostly with the ring finger? I used to think you should grip it with both middle and ring fingers, until I was corrected. Plus, you will soon realize that Ramsay subtlety is a powerful tool, and can only be accomplished with a good finger palm.
Frank G. a.k.a. Cardguy
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Mirokai New user 56 Posts
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Cardguy:
You are totally true, the finger palm is not at easy at it seem and yes I had noticed that the best way to do it is just with the ring finger right Best
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24330 Posts
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The best way to learn to classic palm is by doing it -- every day, at every opportunity. Start with silver dollar size coins, if your hands are of normal size or larger. They are easier to palm than half dollars.
Then work on halves. Then work on quarters. Since you are just starting, don't make a list and practice one item on Monday, one on Tuesday, etc. Do all of them every day.
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Magix Elite user 432 Posts
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I found when I was starting out that it was best for me to learn sleights in the context of a routine or effect.
I practiced sleights by themselves, but also practiced routines and effects that used the sleights I was working on. Besides, why practice a sleight if you have no use for it? |
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