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7Hexagon New user Arizona 8 Posts |
What should you do when people ask you to examine your linking rings? Is there any way to avoid this or somehow make them think they have seen all the rings without them doing so?
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
I don't do LR's in my shows, but the general response is to let them handle the rings, even the ***. The approach is to 1) let the spectator hold all the rings, but under controlled circumstances. This takes some audience management. 2) A less gutsy approach is to let them think they handled each of the rings, but they haven't. and 3) by your handling, make it look like you gave a fair view of each ring.
If after all of this you get (or are worried that you will get) this question, you can routine your show to avoid the situation: move quickly to another effect, or develop a way to swap out your rings (some would leave the swapped items sitting out for curious people to look at later.) In a word, good routining.
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
If people believe that the rings are solid then there is no problem.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
7Hex.... The "rings" is not a "push button trick" --as you are, no doubt, realizing!
The "rings" may be compared to a violin. (as DANTE did) No one can TEACH you how to play! We can only HELP YOU TO LEARN. (Since learning is an ACTIVE, not a PASSIVE process. (Sophocles said it a few millenia ago: "One learns by DOING THE THING!) I learned the rings eons ago. I was helped by a mentor. There ARE many books and also videos on routines. I'm not "up" on many, since I learned so many years ago. I'm sure someone will comment with suggestions on specific sources of information. Phoenix has an IBM Ring. Perhaps you can find someone who will mentor you. Best wishes...
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
If you are afraid that they might ask to see the rings, they will ask because you give them a signal. sometime people ask me can I see the rings I say NO! and move on.
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mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts |
I used the routine from Hugard's Modern Magic Manual which has examination of the rings, in stages, built into it. I'm sure many other routines are similar.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
One method used long ago. As spectators would enter they would be asked by an associate is they would like to be a volunteer/participant in the show. Those thought suitable were given a ring to hold. During the show I would ask folks to hold up their ring and I would bring one on stage for an effect, the ring set on a table. Later I would gather up the rings (switching of course) and proceed with the Linking Rings with a lot of spectator interaction, i.e hold a ring or two.
Thus, the audience held the idea that all of the rings had been in the hands of the audience. Requires a few extra rings, but I couldn't afford expensive ones.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Get my book The Real Secret of the Chinese Linking Rings.
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Mr. Woolery Inner circle Fairbanks, AK 2149 Posts |
Pete's book is well worth owning. It was a favorite Christmas gift from my wife when it came out.
One thing to consider, and it has been discussed a couple of times, is to work out a routine that does not use the k** ring. There's one in Tarbell. Whit Haydn suggested learning this routine at the end of his linking rings routine video. This would allow for a routine in which you simply hand out all the rings at some point. Since the method has been exposed a lot, using a routine that allows for this would be a nice way to answer anyone who thinks he has it all figured out. -Patrick |
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
I LOVE Pete's Book...it's GREAT!
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george1953 Inner circle Mallorca (Spain) 5943 Posts |
What I have done for years is an 8 ring routine. I have the k✴✳ ring on my table under a cloth, I then do the old false count to show them separate. Now I supposedly join two that together and the three
I now pass them into the front row of the audience for examination. I have the single rings returned and I place them on my table on top of the cloth hiding the k✴✳. The two spectators who have the joined rings are invited on stage to assist, as I pick up the remaining rings and cloth to polish them a little, at the same time adding the k✴✳ into the mix. I now go into my routine.
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Mr. Woolery Inner circle Fairbanks, AK 2149 Posts |
George, lovely and elegant solution.
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7Hexagon New user Arizona 8 Posts |
Thanks so so much for all the responses!! I greatly appreciate it and it shows me what a supportive community it is here.
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TheRaven Special user 597 Posts |
IMO If people are asking to examine the rings and breaking the flow of your routine, you need to work on managing them better -- not fulfilling their request. You need to decide if examination is included in your routine - not the spectator.
If you want them to be examined -- or feel that will strengthen your routine -- you need to incorporate it into the routine. There are many ways to do this and you don't really need to let them examine all the rings. In general you can let them examine unlinked rings to demonstrate they are solid. You can also let them examine rings after they are linked to address and doubts about gaps in the rings. One or two examinations, in my opinion, is sufficient. If you just linked the rings and you hand them to be examined -- well that should satisfy most. When I incorporate examination in my routine, I have a spectator join on stage and sit a tad off the the side on a barstool. We initially have some byplay with examining two rings. Then from time to time when I have linked rings, I hand the linked set to the spectator -- but continue on with the flow of the act. Seeing someone examine the rings is usually sufficient for most audience members. Just one approach. |
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Quentin Inner circle 1020 Posts |
In spite of what purists say, for the Rings to really work magically, it must appear as though they have been handled by audience members, or an onstage helper from the audience. Even Richard Ross, when he performed for laymen, passed out some rings.
As mentioned by TheRaven, incorporate audience member(s) handling at least some rings during your presentation. The books say that handing things out for examination slows down a trick. It does if you simply ask for them to be examined. So don't say, "examine this", but pass someone the prop in question and make some interesting comment about it. Even, "hold this for a moment", will count as the item being examined in the minds of the audience. A perfect example is Mr Wonder's Tamed Card where he hands someone something he doesn't want examined. |
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
There is a difference between a magician and a spectator. THE MAGICIAN KNOWS HOW IT WORKS - THE SPECTATOR THINKS HE KNOWS IT. with that if a spectator is convinced there is no **** he see it as magic. it is a state of mind of the magicin. I do a three ring routine and in all the years nobody asked to see the rings.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Jay Marshall made a living with a five ring routine and never handed them out. It's all in your style and presentation.
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7Hexagon New user Arizona 8 Posts |
Thanks again so much!! This is all so helpful.
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jcrabtree2007 Special user 627 Posts |
I only use 3 or 4 rings (3 rings done to Chinese music...4 rings for Whit Haydn's routine). Both play excellent. I show all rings as solid at the beginning of the act. Still, I sometimes get someone after the show that will say "i had a set of those rings once but they don't work like those." When I'm packing up, I'll leave 3 or 4 solid rings (I KILLED MY 3 TRIPLE RING (CUT The center ring leaving me two more singles)for those snoops). Got that tip from Whit's dvd and I get a kick out of watching someone who thinks they know the secret examine those solid rings.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Roy Mayer "pioneered" the three ring routine. He saw Ed Marlo's lecture in St. Louis, MO about '49 or '50. Roy quickly "put together" s 3 ring routine, which I saw him close his school show with, about a year later. It was strong!!! The routine used a k** , a single, and an over size single (Merv Taylor rings). It was a silent "display" routine, so there was no "opportunity" for spectator's interrupting.
In high schools, there was often a stage crew of students backstage. I can't tell the whole story here, because this forum is open. I'll write it up in the book!
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