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If you like horror - Brightburn is due out on the 24th. Superman?

I hope they don't make Rupert the Bear into something PG or R rated.
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On May 16, 2019, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
If you like horror - Brightburn is due out on the 24th. Superman?

I hope they don't make Rupert the Bear into something PG or R rated.

Much as I hate to say it, that Brightburn trailer shows too much ruthlessness for me. If it was meant as a homage to Superman, then it's way off the beam for me. Maybe even perverse. So I'll confine myself to just Marvel and DC.
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This illustrates how the left and right hemispheres of brain work. In magic the right corresponding with the patter, while the left corresponding with the experiment: one calling on the imagination, the other on the rational faculties. Whole brain satisfaction is achieved with a 50/50 ratio, a balance, of one and the other. The Goldilocks principle if you will.

https://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2......1024.jpg

Your criticism, it seems to me, is that there is too much of one and not enough of the other.
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Agreed: https://detectivecomments.wordpress.com/......ay-book/
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Planetary

Don't worry, Brightburn is not an homage to comicbook superman. Superman was/is a story about living in hope in a new country/world - where even a sliver of the old destroyed home could being nasty surprises or death.

Inking in the lines of a fable, demanding a consistent physics, or whole human truth winds up reflecting our own unknowns and fears. The folks who wrote "gritty" comicbook stories knew what there were doing and played safe with their audiences. Heres's a good example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irredeemable
As you can see it bookends nicely with Veitch's Maximortal. They weren't complaining about fables - but rather cautioning those who would not learn from fables.

Have a look at Planetary: Night on Earth - and remember Adam West's Batman Smile You can see some of the pages here: https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6979877.html Planetary has a detective character as lead. He meets Sherlock Holmes BTW. DC Comics (Time Warner/AOL...) owns that property. Smile
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This article is an interesting read for those who've seen "Avengers Endgame". I just saw it for a third time yesterday.

A guess (theory) at something that might happen in MCU Phase 4, that was set up in this movie.

https://screenrant.com/young-avengers-en......-theory/

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While this was an admirable project and done well, I doubt I'll sit through another 13 movie story arch.

It reminds me of the late 80's or maybe early 90's when they did ridiculous story arches that spanned Batman, Shadoq aof the Bat, Catwoman, Robin ,Nightwing, Juatice League and such so you had to buy the titles to get the pieces. It was one of the things that started to actually turn me off on DC. Obviously it was to get you to try more titles.

But with movies I don't want to have to sit through 13 movies. I'm petty sure I'm probably the minority view in this. I just don't want to have to go and if I don't I end up uninformed or miss out on something. I just want to kill a couple hours at the movies.

All that being said I thought it was done well.
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Hi Danny,

I do agree with you about how long the story arc was. I also agree that Marvel shouldn't do it again, at least not the same way. 11 years is way to long. On the positive side, most of the movies do reasonably well as stand alone, so if someone chose to watch only certain movies, they'd be OK. The obvious exception is Endgame.
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Yes as stand alone they are not at all bad. (Possible exceptions but in general true.) But still it can leave you feeling as if you missed something.
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Surprisingly ironic is how Aquaman beat Green Lantern at the movies. Ironic because in the comics magazines Green Lantern has always been more popular than Aquaman. That popularity can be seen from how Green Lantern had spun off into other multiple magazines such as the Green Lantern Corps and Jon Stewart, Etc. And Green Lantern has much more potential because of the many aliens from other planets. That aspect was of course shown in the movie, which impressed me the most.
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I think it has more to do with timing than popularity. 2011 was a long time ago in movie years. Plus it was just a poor offering all around. Aquaman was actually not bad at all.

It is also relevant that it is not the same group going to these movies as reading the comics. Grenn Lantern may well have drawn way more comic book nerds, but nowhere close to non nerds, which is a much bigger group.
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DC movies have not given us interesting characters the way Marvel did with Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America. Robert Downy Jr. won over the audience as Tony Stark. Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan was not interesting - but he did very well as Wade Wilson in Marvel's Deadpool.

It wasn't a poverty of mythos that tanked the DC movies but rather a focus on setting and visual style over character. Using the camera to pan around a comicbook panel* built into physical reality is simply not interesting.

*Well there was one Grant Morrison story about sending astronauts into a fictional universe to bring back something but... folks might not have read Planetary. <- please give it a try.
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Jonathan, I have to disagree with one point you made. Before finding Abin Sur, I thought Hal Jordan was a very interesting character. We saw plainly how irresponsible he was despite having a job that should have called for quite the opposite. We saw him interact with a one nighter, his ex and his family. Once he got the ring however, his characterization did go a bit flat... on that I agree.

I thought Aquaman was a great movie given how hard it is to write a good story about him. If a write puts him on land, he is a non powered adventurer, in the water he is king of the sea, strong and controlling sea life. But then what? This is what makes him hard to write for. The movie, in a sly way put in an origin story, easier to write for sure, without focusing on the origin, but rather focusing on the action of today. That is why it worked for me.
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On land Aquaman has not been non powered since the 1990's when someone did the math on what it takes to live under the ocean.
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Aquaman is way more ripped than Green Lantern so he sells more tickets to chicks.
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I had a thought about the new "Dark Phoenix" movie coming out in a couple of days.

I think it's the first X-Men movie without Wolverine / Logan (Hugh Jackman) in it.

He made cameos in "First Class" and "Apocalypse", and was a main character in the other 4 X-Men movies (as well as the 3 Wolverine movies).

Not counting the 2 Deadpool movies, of course.

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I just got back from Dark Phoenix. I liked it. Although I have had a hard time with the choice for Jean in the first place.
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Dismal and embarrassing were the box office results for Dark Phoenix. Although for me the film was pretty good. Not as good as the previous X-Men films but certainly better than the last Fantastic Four film. In that Fantastic Four, the actors were too young. I don't know why it was made that way. When Reed Richards was crawling through the ventilation shaft,the spfx missed out on a great opportunity to show his elasticity. In comparison the elasticity shown by the Elongated Man on CW's Flash is so much more impressive. Great scene where EM sneezed, and his sneeze made his whole face "splatter" like molasses.
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I think Godzilla and Elton John mopped the floor with the X-Men box office wise.
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Krypton has started again. Potty mouth Adam Strange and ethnic Lobo ... well it's different.
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It gets better... remember the Banana Splits TV show?
https://ew.com/movies/2019/06/13/the-ban......trailer/

DC could be doing stories from Neil Gaiman's Sandman. Shazam looks to have some cute moments. How does it compare with the TV show Chuck?
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