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On Nov 22, 2014, The Greek wrote:
Fire Starter if I interpret your question correctly, the answer is yes.

Have you seen the live performance on this weeks show?

We also have a special offer as well.

On me if you have any queries.

http://www.magictao.co.uk/TaoTV/Weekly-Magazine-EP-09


Thankyou very much my friend,yes I did watch it ,but there is a cut when the box is shown after and I juat wondered,again this sounds great.
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I am new to adult close up work, but I am putting together some adult close up routines, is there one better than- The Box by Mark Southworth
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Well, yes.

There is this.

I mean, you might have to look at the original handling, either in print, on DVD or download, but it's very hard to beat.

When done properly, it creates a fantastic illusion; the signed, folded card is actually seen to fall out of the box.

No, it is not examinable. No, there are no magnets, mirrors, flaps or black art required.

Don't get me wrong, all these products could be used to create some good magic, but why reinvent the wheel?
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Bought this and like it. But the box needs to stay down after the reveal. Lift it up -- and (I've tried this three times now) and it's glaringly obvious what's happening.

That's not a knock against the trick -- just against trying to overshow. The method is what I expected -- and it works great. Overshowing -- overproving -- and you give it all away.

My gripe against this -- and I have this with many tricks -- is the assumption that specs are not perceptive. They're super-perceptive. Most specs -- in my case, at least -- are smarter than me. So if you want to overshow, overprove, look for an idiot with bad vision and low IQ. (Although you can go 90% -- just not 100% -- of the way with this trick and fool most everyone -- smart specs, included.)

EDIT: And this *is* a knock against the trick, although I'm reluctant to say this. The method is what a spec would guess the method to be. There's little 'magic' here -- even if you perform it well. The spec will say, "Well, you do X and then Y happens." You deny it -- "It's magic!" -- but most specs are spot on. Maybe this makes me the idiot. "No, that's not what I do." But then you put away the box in the bag and think: "Wow. That's it." This is one of those tricks where the magician wants the reality to be magical. In reality, the reality is pretty real: what you'd expect to happen does indeed happen -- just not so that the spec sees it. That's good and bad. It's a magician's trick, this one.

This is why those review shows -- Wizard especially -- need a smart spec to give an alternate POV. Most recent gimmick magic hinges on the assumption that specs are nowhere near as smart as they actually are. AN example where the spec is flummoxed -- and can't begin to discuss the method -- is (for one example) 'Sealed'. The trick is James Bond ingenious. Specs understand that it might not be magic -- but they would never guess the method. Dr. Daley's last trick is another one. It ain't magic (sadly) but I have no idea what you did -- and I love it. This one -- 3Sixty -- doesn't work that way.
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Bought this and like it. But the box needs to stay down after the reveal. Lift it up -- and (I've tried this three times now) and it's glaringly obvious what's happening.

That's not a knock against the trick -- just against trying to overshow. The method is what I expected -- and it works great. Overshowing -- overproving -- and you give it all away.

My gripe against this -- and I have this with many tricks -- is the assumption that specs are not perceptive. They're super-perceptive. Most specs -- in my case, at least -- are smarter than me. So if you want to overshow, overprove, look for an idiot with bad vision and low IQ. (Although you can go 90% -- just not 100% -- of the way with this trick and fool most everyone -- smart specs, included.)

EDIT: And this *is* a knock against the trick, although I'm reluctant to say this. The method is what a spec would guess the method to be. There's little 'magic' here -- even if you perform it well. The spec will say, "Well, you do X and then Y happens." You deny it -- "It's magic!" -- but most specs are spot on. Maybe this makes me the idiot. "No, that's not what I do." But then you put away the box in the bag and think: "Wow. That's it." This is one of those tricks where the magician wants the reality to be magical. In reality, the reality is pretty real: what you'd expect to happen does indeed happen -- just not so that the spec sees it. That's good and bad. It's a magician's trick, this one.

This is why those review shows -- Wizard especially -- need a smart spec to give an alternate POV. Most recent gimmick magic hinges on the assumption that specs are nowhere near as smart as they actually are. AN example where the spec is flummoxed -- and can't begin to discuss the method -- is (for one example) 'Sealed'. The trick is James Bond ingenious. Specs understand that it might not be magic -- but they would never guess the method. Dr. Daley's last trick is another one. It ain't magic (sadly) but I have no idea what you did -- and I love it. This one -- 3Sixty -- doesn't work that way.


Good reveiw and knowing how or what the priciple is with this,i have been messing with 3 see through boxs's and a folded up card,i showed the wife it test,took the first box out and placed it upturned on a black silk,then the same with the second and then opened up the third tipped it out and placed the that box on the silk in the same manner,the third box looked empty just like the other two,job done there.BUT, that's where my little expeiment end's as I could not show my box for examination,just quickly put them away,now I am working on another idea for showing the box straight away and just folding up the silk into my pocket.Another thing is with my box the card looks flat just as the clarity box one doe's.so do I get this one? Petty's one? or Mark Southworth's New utility Device?oh the confusion,lol.
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If you do ANY card to box, and I mean literally any at all, and the emphasis is on the box and not the folded card, then magic isn't for you.

Harsh assessment, but true.
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I'd agree with that assessment, with one small caveat; in TW's ACR, the box is introduced at the beginning as a lure, so it has its own significance. But at the end, as you point out, the focus is on the folded card.
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Gotta love Costas and his customer service.

His deals are better than Saturn Magic too. Smile

My experience of Magic Tao was 6 weeks of no product, and no answer to emails or phone calls. I had to dispute the transaction to get my money back. I will never place another order with them. Saturn on the other hand I have had very good experience with.

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There were a few teething issues in the early days of the operation but give him his due, Costas has ironed out any problems and now runs a very slick operation.
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After my experience you could not pay me to order from them. I don't call taking my money then ignoring my calls, voice mails and emails a teething problem. To this day I have still not heard back from them and had I not disputed the transaction I am confident I'd never have received the goods or a refund.

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Are you sure you aren't confusing them with World Magic Shop? Smile
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I think is all very clear why wayne dobson pulled out of the magic circle dealers day now !

Even if he could not make it , his spokesman could have run the stand .
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Are you sure you aren't confusing them with World Magic Shop? Smile

No I'm not, my first order with WMS took a while but it took 1 call to fix it. I called magic Tao dozens of times over several weeks and sent several emails, no response from them whatsoever. I ended up with no choice but to dispute the transaction.

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Must have been a while back. Customer service is first class now.
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This isn't the place to talk about these matters. All I can say is that this order was sorted out a while ago. We do strive to offer excellent customer service and do are best to become even more efficient.

Back on topic.
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Hi Boinko,

i agree totally with you.

I made the same point earlier.

Still I am going to work with this.

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If you do ANY card to box, and I mean literally any at all, and the emphasis is on the box and not the folded card, then magic isn't for you.

Harsh assessment, but true.


then magic isn't for you.

Really what twaddle,i will just give up all my hard years and years of work for daring to THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX pun intended,so if an examinable box came out tomorrow, you would not be interested,yeh right,yes we know the emphasis is on the card but it is niceto beable to think and possibly break other bounderies and make thing's look more impossible,as many new inventions and clever idea's are hitting the market,just stay in your 1 DIMENTIONAL world of magic then,harsh enough for you?.
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Well I suppose I asked for that, I meant no offence. I was just trying to make the point that the emphasis should be on the card not the box. I apologise if I came across badly.
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Well I suppose I asked for that, I meant no offence. I was just trying to make the point that the emphasis should be on the card not the box. I apologise if I came across badly.

No worries tricktac,I too to behonest owe you an apology,we all get excited and passionate about our art and sometimes we all read wrong into other peoples thought's or written word or spoken come to that, so I am very sorry for jumping the gun ,it was just that one line, magic not for you,lol,my mind is alway's trying to think more impossible invention's,none work to good so far,lol,all the best.
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Harsh but not true. I guess.
The fact is many "new" inventions and "clever" idea coming out and people are wasting more money on these magician toys. Most of them bring nothing new to audience.
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