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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Good news from Nature.
Quote: The hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica is starting to heal, say researchers in Australia. The team is the first to detect a recovery in baseline average springtime ozone levels in the region, 22 years after the Montreal Protocol to ban chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and related ozone-destroying chemicals came into force.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
So what is your position here John? Is it a good thing or should we be doing more or do we need a global tax or what? What is your exact position here?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
My exact position is that it appears that the scientific and governmental communities cooperated and have solved a potentially disastrous problem. I am very pleased.
What's your position, Danny?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I'll just put in my usual bi-annual question meant to save a lot of wasteful repetition of argument. Of course, in reality, it probably won't change a jot in the course of this thread:
IF Global Warming were proven to be man made, THEN do you think any action should be taken to ameliorate it? No sense arguing the first part, if you don't think any action should be taken either way. See, I just saved everyone pages and pages of argument.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I think the post is an excellent illustration of what can be accomplished through cooperation to solve a potentially serious problem. No agenda. Just observation of facts.
Landmark- I think that even if every single reputable scientist on the planet confirmed AGW (actual scientists, not TV weathermen or a bunch of people with bachelors degrees in unrelated fields), there would still be those who, encouraged by political propaganda and bogus and distorted "research" propagated by certain corporate interests, would claim it was a massive hoax and would have no desire to do anything about it at all. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Has it ever occurred to you that it might be normal?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Well actually, I think it was Danny who finally got you off that kick but I'll thank you anyway. People like you? Well, people who despite the fact that the global temperature has not gone BELOW the LOWEST point of what the IPCC was predicting still can't admit that maybe, just maybe, the computer models aren't all they're cracked up to be. And just maybe, accurately predicting what is going to happen in the future is just a bit tougher than they would like to admit. (I would think you of all people would know that!) |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
NASA Reveals New Results From Inside the Ozone Hole
December 11, 2013 Media briefing slides associated with this story are available here. NASA scientists have revealed the inner workings of the ozone hole that forms annually over Antarctica and found that declining chlorine in the stratosphere has not yet caused a recovery of the ozone hole. More than 20 years after the Montreal Protocol agreement limited human emissions of ozone-depleting substances, satellites have monitored the area of the annual ozone hole and watched it essentially stabilize, ceasing to grow substantially larger. However, two new studies show that signs of recovery are not yet present, and that temperature and winds are still driving any annual changes in ozone hole size. visualization of average zone hole in October 2013 The area of the ozone hole, such as in October 2013 (above), is one way to view the ozone hole from year to year. However, the classic metrics have limitations. "Ozone holes with smaller areas and a larger total amount of ozone are not necessarily evidence of recovery attributable to the expected chlorine decline," said Susan Strahan of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "That assumption is like trying to understand what's wrong with your car's engine without lifting the hood." To find out what's been happening under the ozone hole's hood, Strahan and Natalya Kramarova, also of NASA Goddard, used satellite data to peer inside the hole. The research was presented Wednesday at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco. Kramarova tackled the 2012 ozone hole, the second-smallest hole since the mid 1980s. To find out what caused the hole's diminutive area, she turned to data from the NASA-NOAA Suomi National Polar-orbiting Partnership satellite, and gained the first look inside the hole with the satellite's Ozone Mapper and Profiler Suite's Limb Profiler. Next, data were converted into a map that shows how the amount of ozone differed with altitude throughout the stratosphere in the center of the hole during the 2012 season, from September through November. The map revealed that the 2012 ozone hole was more complex than previously thought. Increases of ozone at upper altitudes in early October, carried there by winds, occurred above the ozone destruction in the lower stratosphere. "Our work shows that the classic metrics based on the total ozone values have limitations – they don't tell us the whole story," Kramarova said. http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/new-......jyaNJNkg
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
Wouldn't this thread be better addressed in the other global warming thread to keep it all in one place?
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
No because John thinks he has found a bit of the argument he can win and wants to make a big show of it.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2014, Bob1Dog wrote: Not really. This was supposed to be about the ozone holes. While they certainly contribute to AGW, they create other problems as well. Unlike AGW, the ozone situation has been improved by bi-partisan and corporate cooperation. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2014, rockwall wrote: As to the accuracy of the IPCC models, see: http://www.skepticalscience.com/curry-mc......acy.html They're far more accurate than you seem to think. Apart from the computer models, the effects of global warming have been documented through empirical observation. The oceans continue to steadily warm despite the apparent atmospheric stall, and as a result, sea levels continue to rise. These are measurable phenomena and have nothing to do with the models. No one here, as far as I know, has ever even bothered to challenge the fact of oceanic thermal expansion. And note that even though I've stopped using the word "deniers," others continue to call those who accept the science far more offensive names, like "hoaxers," "scammers," etc. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I only challenge if it is normal cycles and we have observed it for a minute portion of time. Nobody disputes this either.
Yea I noticed the continued name calling and am disappointed. You may have slipped once but the onslaught of warmer and alarmist has not subsided.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: Has anyone complained of being offended by the term warmist or alarmist? I assume that they would agree with those terms, just as I would not be offended by the term 'sceptic'. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is just too easy to forget a person with another viewpoint is still a person.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Wizzard Veteran user 322 Posts |
To much Kool-Aid here!
John
It's never the wand, it's always the magician
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2014, rockwall wrote: As an American I would be offended at being called a "sceptic" as the word has a different meaning here than in the UK. In the US "sceptic" refers to sewage, and "skeptic" refers to one who questions things. But, in any case, you're not a true skeptic since you continue to ignore evidence that is contrary to your preconceived notions, perfectly illustrating confirmation bias. something a true skeptic would never do. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Maybe you're thinking of septic.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I think so.
A Septic Tank is a Chemical Toilet.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Greenhouse gasses fix Ozone problem!!!!!
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