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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
From the article you cited, but didn't quote:
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The family released a statement through their attorney, saying the shootings during a protest early Thursday were "senseless." They say they won't tolerate "any kind of violence directed toward members of law enforcement." I echo and fully agree with their response. What you seem to be missing is the fundamental difference between institutionalized racism, which was revealed in the DOJ report, and individual criminal acts. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
It takes individuals to form an institution. No matter what acts are committed they are committed by individuals. If a person belongs to a certain church or organization and commits an act, it is not the church or organization that is to blame but rather the individual. We do not condemn the institution because of the acts of a few. Of course if the institution or group condones and teaches these acts (such as radical Islam) that is a different scenario entirely.
Lets be honest. Ferguson right now is a racial pressure cooker. Not much good can come out of such a situation. I just am tired of hearing how terribly the blacks are treated every time a black is involved with a white authority figure. Honestly if there is a conspiracy out there I am not aware of it. There are a lot more blacks in prison and more seem to be involved in criminal activity than their white counterparts. Is it because we prosecute the blacks harder or do more blacks commit crimes and the math does the rest? The black population is smaller than the white population yet those in prison and those committing crimes seem to be more black than white. Is it a huge miscarriage of justice? Do we just prosecute more blacks than whites? If that is the case the system is horribly flawed and MUST be fixed.
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1493 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, acesover wrote: If you claim more Muslim teachers should speak out about radial Islam why then don't you also claim more US churches don't speak up about racism? I would have thought that in 200 years and all men are created equal, this would be almost gone by education and tolerance. If the system lets people down, it's not the individual to blame, IT IS the SYSTEM.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Acesover- If you'd actually read the DOJ report, which I don't believe you have, your conclusions might be different. It found a regular pattern of racial discrimination at the institutional level.
Why all of the resignations if they're all "innocent?" Why did a black woman with a hundred dollar traffic ticket end up in jail for six days because of her inability to pay, in addition to receiving an ADDITIONAL thousand dollars in fines and penalties? Why were racist emails and "jokes" freely circulated among town officials, including one that depicted our President as a chimpanzee? Why were police dogs used only against minorities? Why does the ratio of black/ while crime bear no resemblence to the number of prosecutions brought against minorities? The answers are obvious to anyone not wearing blinders. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
If everyone could put them back in their pants and please remember a young man and others have departed the earth prematurly and has families who still mourn them. Just saying.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, Ian McColl wrote: Thing is these particular generations are the very first to teach themselves. They don't have to rely on their elders. And they ARE teaching themselves. For the first time they can learn the truth before their parents "teaching" takes hold. They know their worth and they don't believe, or need, the dogma. Besides, your wasting your time with Ace. He has an aversion to mirrors.
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1493 Posts |
It's interesting what you say, I met a young guy here 15 year old, he is being taught dogma and will only be able to associated and quote to those of his own kind, it's really sad that another is lost to the system.
as to Aces, shame his group isn't taught to PM nice messages instead of bad.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, NYCTwister wrote: Not sure if you ever took notice. Every thing in the mirror is reversed as to what it should be. It is quite difficult to teach yourself or anyone for that matter if you know nothing.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
For Ian an NYCT,
It must be horrible being so bitter.
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1493 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, acesover wrote: well you shouldn't teach then, especially to me.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, acesover wrote: Why would I be bitter? All I have to do is wait while ignorance defeats itself, as it ALWAYS does eventually. But if I DID want to know how it feels to be bitter, I could ask you to write an essay about how you feel. I won't though, since it would be illogical to ask you to say more than you already will. It's ok though. Your desperation is exposed with every word you spew. Nothing like the power of such a negative example to really teach the young. The more your kind talks, the more they recoil. So I guess you "win" on both the passive and aggressive sides, huh? Now, let's get back to the thread, while you play that deadman's hand out to it's inevitable conclusion. Whaddaya say Ace? Or do you need to keep bluffing at the pot?
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Lets be honest. Ferguson right now is a racial pressure cooker. Not much good can come out of such a situation. Disagree. Some good has already come of an awful situation. At a minimum, the corrupt police commissioner who did nothing to discipline some cops who sent racist emails has been forced to resign. That's a good thing. Quote:
I just am tired of hearing how terribly the blacks are treated every time a black is involved with a white authority figure. Honestly if there is a conspiracy out there I am not aware of it. Yes, I can believe you are not aware of it. For those who have not looked at the report, here is just one of many examples of the kind of behavior that was not disciplined at all: "In the summer of 2012, a 32-year-old African-American man sat in his car cooling off after playing basketball in a Ferguson public park. An officer pulled up behind the man’s car, blocking him in, and demanded the man’s Social Security number and identification. Without any cause, the officer accused the man of being a pedophile, referring to the presence of children in the park, and ordered the man out of his car for a pat-down, although the officer had no reason to believe the man was armed. The officer also asked to search the man’s car. The man objected, citing his constitutional rights. In response, the officer arrested the man, reportedly at gunpoint, charging him with eight violations of Ferguson’s municipal code. One charge, Making a False Declaration, was for initially providing the short form of his first name (e.g., “Mike” instead of “Michael”), and an address which, although legitimate, was different from the one on his driver’s license. Another charge was for not wearing a seat belt, even though he was seated in a parked car. The officer also charged the man both with having an expired operator’s license, and with having no operator’s license in his possession. The man told us that, because of these charges, he lost his job as a contractor with the federal government that he had held for years."
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, landmark wrote: While the officer from what you report was out of line. The man had no valid drivers license, but was in a car that he supposedly drove to this location. The address he gave the officer as to his residence did not match the address on his expired license which he gave as proof of ID. Is that about right? Seems perfectly normal to me. Maybe he lost the job because he had no valid drivers license which he was supposed to have as a contractor if working and driving for the Fedeeral Government. But who is keeping score? Who cares about facts? Did he ever sue? Seems like the ACLU would have loved this one. Or is this just another urban legend to help an agenda point?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, NYCTwister wrote: Just for your information. You can only bluff someone with intelligence. So no I am not bluffing at any pot with you in it. Not much of a poker player are you? I have a friend who claims he has never been bluffed out of a pot. However he says that it has cost him well over $100,000 in his poker career.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, acesover wrote: So? You have stupid friends. Did you think you hadn't exposed THAT little tidbit before? As for the bluffing, be honest Ace. Everything you say is a bluff, and you always get called. Then you pretend you didn't lose. Like I've said before, the one thing you're good at is pretense.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, NYCTwister wrote: Would you mind telling me what you are talking about? I am not trying to win or lose anything here. Maybe that is why you are so confused. What am I trying to win in your estimation? Do you believe the shootings were a good thing that just occurred in Ferguson? Are they justified because white police officers got shot? Yea I have stupid friends. He is so stupid he can actually afford to lose that $100,000.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I think the racebaiters should be jailed for disturbing the peace .. Now they are shooting people in the head because NO ONE SAID "HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT!!!!!" yet the baiters pushed and pushed and pushed .. Now more death is on the way. And the professional instigators are to blame this time.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Those who remember the infamous COINTELPRO will remember how one of their preferred tactics was to infiltrate peaceful demonstrations with paid agitators in order to discredit the demonstrators.
As to acesover's implication that those of us who are disgusted by the institutional racism that permeated the Ferguson police and city government are somehow supportive of those criminals who shot police officers- that's just ridiculous and rather offensive. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Not my implication. You are implying something I never meant. I asked a question. Do you have an answer? It is just that I do not yet hear all of the white people complaining about white police officers being shot or I don't see any riots. Or am I missing them? No burning or tipping over police cars or looting. I wonder why. Maybe a few white people can get together and burn a couple of buildings and loot some stores. I know you feel that is racist. Why? Or maybe they should get together and stand and say don't shoot we are protecting you and put fake blood on their face to show where the officer got shot. Do you think any of that will happen? Let me assure you. It won't.
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On Mar 12, 2015, acesover wrote: Last time I looked, a driver's license was not required anywhere in the United States to sit in a parked car. Perhaps your knowledge of the law is different? If you bothered to read the DOJ report you would learn that the FPD has been sued a lot and lost a number of cases. "The Ferguson Police Department’s infringement of individuals’ freedom of speech and right to record has been highlighted in recent months in the context of large-scale public protest. In November 2014, a federal judge entered a consent order prohibiting Ferguson officers from interfering with individuals’ rights to lawfully and peacefully record public police activities. That same month, the City settled another suit alleging that it had abused its loitering ordinance, Mun. Code § 29-89, to arrest people who were protesting peacefully on public sidewalk.Despite these lawsuits, it appears that FPD continues to interfere with individuals’ rights to protest and record police activities. " Here's another charming example: "In January 2013, a patrol sergeant stopped an African-American man after he saw the man talk to an individual in a truck and then walk away. The sergeant detained the man, although he did not articulate any reasonable suspicion that criminal activity was afoot. When the man declined to answer questions or submit to a frisk—which the sergeant sought to execute despite articulating no reason to believe the man was armed—the sergeant grabbed the man by the belt, drew his ECW, and ordered the man to comply. The man crossed his arms and objected that he had not done anything wrong. Video captured by the ECW’s built-in camera shows that the man made no aggressive movement toward the officer. The sergeant fired the ECW,applying a five-second cycle of electricity and causing the man to fall to the ground. The sergeant almost immediately applied the ECW again, which he later justified in his report by claiming that the man tried to stand up. The video makes clear, however, that the man never tried to stand—he only writhed in pain on the ground. The video also shows that the sergeant applied the ECW nearly continuously for 20 seconds, longer than represented in his report.The man was charged with Failure to Comply and Resisting Arrest, but no independent criminal violation." Some of the emails: "We have discovered evidence of racial bias in emails sent by Ferguson officials, all of whom are current employees, almost without exception through their official City of Ferguson email accounts, and apparently sent during work hours. These email exchanges involved several police and court supervisors, including FPD supervisors and commanders. The following emails are illustrative: *A November 2008 email stated that President Barack Obama would not be President for very long because “what black man holds a steady job for four years.” *A March 2010 email mocked African Americans through speech and familial stereotypes, usinga story involving child support. One line from the email read: “I be so glad that dis be my last child support payment! Month after month, year after year, all dose payments!” *An April 2011 email depicted President Barack Obama as a chimpanzee. *A May 2011 email stated: “An African-American woman in New Orleans was admitted into the hospital for a pregnancy termination. Two weeks later she received a check for $5,000. She phoned the hospital to ask who it was from.The hospital said, ‘Crimestoppers.’” And on and on for 105 pages. I haven't begun to talk about the collusion of the court system. The town basically had a racketeering operation where cops would arrest the marks and the courts would impose fine after fine making sure it was impossible to pay it off. For this alone, there should be some kind of RICO prosecution from the Feds. If you had read that this was going on in say, the Ukraine, you would nod your head wisely and say, "terrible, terrible." Take a read: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fil......rt_1.pdf The FPD and the Ferguson courts were, or still are, chaotic, unsupervised, lawless; It's puzzling to me, aces, why you would be on the side of criminals.
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