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In view of what will be said ten years from now, after thousands of more bombs, millions displaced, tens of thousands more deaths, and general horror at being snookered once again into unending war, I thought I'd post this as a reminder, just so that no one can say, "But how could we possibly have known what would have happened? Everyone thought we had to invade."

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as President Obama prepares to send the United States on what could be a years long military campaign against the militant group, American intelligence agencies have concluded that it poses no immediate threat to the United States. Some officials and terrorism experts believe that the actual danger posed by ISIS has been distorted in hours of television punditry and alarmist statements by politicians, and that there has been little substantive public debate about the unintended consequences of expanding American military action in the Middle East.


Daniel Benjamin, who served as the State Department’s top counterterrorism adviser during Mr. Obama’s first term, said the public discussion about the ISIS threat has been a “farce,” with “members of the cabinet and top military officers all over the place describing the threat in lurid terms that are not justified.”

“It’s hard to imagine a better indication of the ability of elected officials and TV talking heads to spin the public into a panic, with claims that the nation is honeycombed with sleeper cells, that operatives are streaming across the border into Texas or that the group will soon be spraying Ebola virus on mass transit systems — all on the basis of no corroborated information,” said Mr. Benjamin, who is now a scholar at Dartmouth College.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/world/......are&_r=0


ISIS is playing its hand brilliantly; it is the fulfillment of the Bin Laden strategy to draw the US into a war that will cause the US to destroy itself.
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You may not agree with the guy, but if you haven't listened to Greg Gutfeld before, he's pretty darn funny.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/v......93649001

"If cross dressing as a righty gets the country behind you, then why not just get the sex change? Come to the right side. We’re more fun and we’re always armed. And let’s stop insulting the right when acting like them actually saves your rear."

"Finally, you the President must believe in this fight. No 18 holes after a head rolls."
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I agree that Gutfeld is pretty funny generally. I grabbed one of his books.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Why not, his predecessor, after stating that he didn't think much about bin Laden any more, followed by saying, "Now watch this drive" as he teed off on the golf course.
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Why not, his predecessor, after stating that he didn't think much about bin Laden any more, followed by saying, "Now watch this drive" as he teed off on the golf course.


You beat me to it, Bob! Smile

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Why not, his predecessor, after stating that he didn't think much about bin Laden any more, followed by saying, "Now watch this drive" as he teed off on the golf course.


Actually, I don't seem to remember that. Got a link by any chance?

Besides, Gutfeld was funny, which is what we're talkin about here.
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Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm9788Tb5g

I watch a few shows on media and advertising and this clip is often used to show the disconnect between spokespersons real life and their public pronouncements - how they switch on and off who they are, and who they wish to be perceived as.
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Hmmm, just as I remembered, nothing about Bin Laden in that clip. Maybe Bob's makin stuff up again.
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Wasn't that a Michael Moore clip anyway? God knows what the raw footage looked like.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Landmark has a point. If you recall, Bush said that if Saddam stepped down he wouldn't attack and let things settle. Russia was working on it, just like they successfully negotiated the destruction of Syria's chemical weapons last year ... BUT Bush jumped the gun with that feeble Shock and Awe failure ... Then the war ..then the hanging of Saddam even though there were NO WMD's ...But at this point with Saddam gone and no WMD's did he let it all settle? ... NOPE ... The war machine continued.

We spend more money on defense than the next 5 or 10 nations combined yet we allowed 911 to happen? ... just doesn't fit right....
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Six Steps Short of War to Beat ISIS
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/0......eat-isis
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“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
- George W. Bush, 9/13/2001

“So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.”
- George W. Bush, 3/13/2002
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OMG, is everything still Bush's fault?
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums.
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We need to lengthen our vision a bit. Has the world been relatively stable and free of wars at any point in human history? All things told, we're in a very quiet period right now.


ISIS reminds me of the days when a fella with money and charisma could raise a private army and wreak havoc on his neighbours.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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OMG, is everything still Bush's fault?

Not at all. The subject had turned to disengaged presidents. We've had more than one I expect.
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ISIS reminds me of the days when a fella with money and charisma could raise a private army and wreak havoc on his neighbours.

Was the fella's name Erik Prince?
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On Sep 12, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

ISIS reminds me of the days when a fella with money and charisma could raise a private army and wreak havoc on his neighbours.

Was the fella's name Erik Prince?


Never heard of him. There are a number of small mercenary armies available for rent these days. Certainly a few decades ago, Latin America and parts of Africa were full of them. But ISIS appears to be on the magnitude of something Pompey, or the Crusades.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
- George W. Bush, 9/13/2001

“So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.”
- George W. Bush, 3/13/2002


Do you think that Obama spent more time on Bin Laden than Bush did?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Those quotes were in reference to the supposed disengagement of the present occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

As to your question, I would say Yes. The previous administration was basically too distracted by shiny objects most of the time (in the form of plundering the public trough for corporate and military gain) to give much thought to Bin Laden once his usefulness to said project had been outlived (so to speak).
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On Sep 12, 2014, landmark wrote:
“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
- George W. Bush, 9/13/2001

“So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.”
- George W. Bush, 3/13/2002


Do you think that Obama spent more time on Bin Laden than Bush did?


Frankly, yes. A lot more.
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