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Struck me as ironic on a day like today, and silly to put it all under a "bias/racism" tag. Watch the entire vid.
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/09/10/fo......0960289/
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Just WOW!!!! What the heck is happening to America? It may soon be illegal to be a legal citizen who honors the USA and it's flag ...just WOW!!!! Smile
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Sounds like the chief is probably just an idiot.
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On Sep 11, 2014, stempleton wrote:
Struck me as ironic on a day like today, and silly to put it all under a "bias/racism" tag. Watch the entire vid.
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/09/10/fo......0960289/


"baby and the bathwater" situation. Trying to get rid of "offensive" references by getting rid of ALL references.
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Their Red Flag is for Dead and Blood They Shed,
Next Flag Sacred Green for Fulfilling the Dream:

"U.N. is Unwinding to its Proper Height,
Pushing Global Governance with All its Might,
Where its Departments Rule All Food, Water,
Trade, Taxation, Economy and Slaughter,
Massive New Taxations on Bankrupt Nations,
To "Spread to the Poor" with No Occupations,
Promoted by Well-Healed Marxist Seducers,
Destroying All Nations which are Producers,
Once this Global Plantation is Up and Running,
For Non-Producers, They'll Come Gunning,
Depopulation Complete, Red Flag Comes Down,
Their Green One then Hoisted, That's the Crown"

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Here's an alternative scenario: Someone else puts up a swastika and is told to put remove it or be suspended or fired. The ACLU steps in to represent the guy for free (as opposed to the City, which pays hundreds of thousands in tax dollars to defend the suit). The ACLU argues that the fire department (a public entity) is discriminating against the fire fighter for the content of his free speech, because they arbitrarily accept the flag and the Marine Corps sticker. The suit clears summary judgment, and after spending tons of tax money defending the suit at its outset, the city settles or loses the case and the fire fighter retires or takes on long sabbatical on even more of the tax money that the city hands over to him.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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What is a flag but a symbol. How do symbols work? They are fed with meaning in the presence of the initiated. You can feed them with anything, good or evil. After the initiation every time the initiated see the symbol the meaning is released from the symbol. National flags, they have been fed with Nationalism. As opposed to internationalism. So if you want to bring in world governance then National flags and the like must be suppressed, obviously.
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Go and hoist a green flag and they will probably give you a grant.
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On Sep 21, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Here's an alternative scenario: Someone else puts up a swastika and is told to put remove it or be suspended or fired. The ACLU steps in to represent the guy for free (as opposed to the City, which pays hundreds of thousands in tax dollars to defend the suit). The ACLU argues that the fire department (a public entity) is discriminating against the fire fighter for the content of his free speech, because they arbitrarily accept the flag and the Marine Corps sticker. The suit clears summary judgment, and after spending tons of tax money defending the suit at its outset, the city settles or loses the case and the fire fighter retires or takes on long sabbatical on even more of the tax money that the city hands over to him.

Sounds about right. However, do you think there's an argument that the presence of a swastika is akin to "fighting words" and could provoke an immediate danger? Hate crime, akin to a lynching noose?
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Talk about raising one's blood pressure....

Removing anything patriotic is another nail in the USA coffin.
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Someone else puts up a swastika eh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTw3_PmKtc
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On Sep 21, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Here's an alternative scenario: Someone else puts up a swastika and is told to put remove it or be suspended or fired. The ACLU steps in to represent the guy for free (as opposed to the City, which pays hundreds of thousands in tax dollars to defend the suit). The ACLU argues that the fire department (a public entity) is discriminating against the fire fighter for the content of his free speech, because they arbitrarily accept the flag and the Marine Corps sticker. The suit clears summary judgment, and after spending tons of tax money defending the suit at its outset, the city settles or loses the case and the fire fighter retires or takes on long sabbatical on even more of the tax money that the city hands over to him.

Sounds about right. However, do you think there's an argument that the presence of a swastika is akin to "fighting words" and could provoke an immediate danger? Hate crime, akin to a lynching noose?


Yes, that's a valid point...might have to take a half-step back for safety.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I agree. A swastika could be considered hate speech.

The thing that puzzles me about this story though is this- don't most firefighters, like police officers, wear American flag patches on their uniforms? And aren't there American flags at every fire and police station?

Maybe they just didn't want firefighters putting stickers all over their lockers and passed a regulation against it- which escalated into what seems to me to be a faux controversy.
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Talk about raising one's blood pressure....

Removing anything patriotic is another nail in the USA coffin.


You're ignoring the fact that it's ANYTHING on the lockers. Any sort of symbol has to be removed, not just "patriotic" ones.
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I have a feeling that the whole situation is more complex than the story appears and involves racial tensions that were spoken and unspoken. Just my guess from some of the comments I've read in reply to the Chief's comments.
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On Sep 22, 2014, Dennis Michael wrote:
Talk about raising one's blood pressure....

Removing anything patriotic is another nail in the USA coffin.


Get a load of this Dennis:

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Man forbidden from flying U.S. flag on his balcony because it could 'offend foreign people'

Brad Smith, a student at San Diego State University and a tenant of Boulevard 63 Apartments, said apartment complex managers told him to remove the American flag he was displaying on his apartment's balcony because it "could offend foreign people."

Smith said that when he asked management about the notice he received ordering him to remove the flag, they reportedly told him "it was for political reasons and that the flag could offend foreign people that live here, foreign exchange students."

ABC News' investigation revealed that the rules of Smith's lease prohibit signs or other personal property from being kept outside the premises, and that management determines what is "permissible and acceptable."

But Smith asserts this is not the explanation he was given.


http://theweek.com/article/index/268581/......n-people

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ed rhodes
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Now THAT'S wrong.
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What’s wrong with all you Americans ... holding American passports in the airports??? Racist a–holes!
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