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Ceierry Inner circle Europe 1578 Posts |
I've bought it, and this is funny xD
I need some props but I think I'll use it :p
Author of 10S Star Sign Divination - olivier.ceierry@gmail.com for a digital copy.
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brandon90 Special user Iowa 711 Posts |
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On Sep 12, 2014, Ceierry wrote: Yeah, It's a fun little method to know. |
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Spicoli New user 96 Posts |
Looks interesting! Gonna check this...
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On Sep 12, 2014, inhumaninferno wrote: Not really they protect you and can be great things in many cases. In some cases they can hold you back but this is not one of them. In this case it has nothing to do with either, it is more about smart business practices, looking out for the welfare of your audience/others, and common sense. Probably all things that you lack. The trick is not that great and is more so a "stunt" than a magic trick in its original form. So to me it is not worth the risk. But if anyone could be injured trying to replicate it, then it is never worth it. But if you don't care about your audiences then go for it. Lawsuits are much more terrible than fear and paranoia, and you will have a lot of both. So if you think bending a pin is worth it knock yourself out.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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jcrabtree2007 Special user 627 Posts |
I'm a Trauma Nurse. I think I can have some fun with the rookies! Also, with the Safety Manager. I'm in....
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inhumaninferno Elite user 452 Posts |
And let's add overly defensive and beetchy to the list for sirbrad. Sorry Bub, decades of performing in a vast array of venues/situations and (drumroll) No Lawsuits...gasp. It's all how you frame and manage it. Make sure your volunteers sign a waiver before they "pick a card," paper cuts are actionable!
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
You seem to assume and stereotype a lot also. Also in this case the way it is "framed" could get you into trouble because the audience is copying you with a real pin, and may actually be tempted to try it. I am not defensive I am factual. Oh yeah I have been performing in various venues for over three decades as well "Bub" with no issues either, but I also know what works and what doesn't. So keep blowing those "flames" because you are full of hot air.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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inhumaninferno Elite user 452 Posts |
Quite funny how I made a simple comment and sirbrad made it into a personal attack right off the bat. In the spirit of good fun, I had to up the ante to see where it went. No surprise, more of the same bluster. Recheck my post, friend-no assumptions or stereotyping at all.
IMHO, if a performer is unable to imagine a presentation of an effect with the appearance of danger in a safe manner...don't do it. Leave it to those who can. I learned long ago to give my audience credit for both intelligence and self-preservation. Now, I'm wondering if denial and the idea of "having a chip on your shoulder" necessarily go hand in hand? On topic, Pinch looks like a lot of fun. Can't wait to try it out on my attorney friends! |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Intelligence has nothing to do with it especially in the case of kids seeing it. Maybe I am just more responsible and place more importance on my audience's safety as opposed to just making it all about myself and hoping to get a laugh doing a cheap stunt. Not everyone who buys this is going to come up with their own method of doing it they will simply copy the demo. Yes you did assume with your original post and addressed me first. If you don't like the responses to your assumptions then stop making them or be more careful next time who you attack.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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inhumaninferno Elite user 452 Posts |
Kids? Ever hear of age appropriate? Lame, faulty, pathetic rationalization...
sirbrad, your responses continue to amuse me as do your pitiful attempts to bait me with your continued personal affront. If I were to verbally attack you, there would be no doubt. Despite your attitude, I have no reason to do so. Your feelings have been made clear. It is up to you, Mr. Paragon of responsibility and humility, to be true to yourself and protect the innocent public from the blood-thirsty, ego maniacal magicians spreading danger throughout the land with every show by performing: The Needles/Razor Blades, Sawing A Person In Half, Torch/Candle Through Arm, Voodoo/Needle Through Arm, Needle Through Balloon (needles again-ooh, danger), Anything with Fire, Hand Chopper, Guillotine, Bill in Fruit (them there knives are sharp!), Coins From Nose/Cards From Mouth (can't take a chance of kids shoving things in their nose or mouth), etc. Oh, we also cannot do anything surprising or startling. My goodness, someone could have a heart attack! Liability is everywhere, Chicken Little! Beware! |
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Peter Pitchford Elite user Philly 423 Posts |
Aaaaaaand another Magic Café post hijacked by squabbling. (sigh)
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Next time maybe you should try and stay on topic of the actual trick/stunt being discussed as opposed to hijacking a thread and making personal assumptions, and name calling. Not surprisingly you again missed the point entirely. Do any of those other tricks have a spectator holding a real, potentially dangerous item and mimicking you doing a seemingly dangerous act? I didn't think so, go back to sleep now. I am done with you now as you are obviously trolling. Back on topic.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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inhumaninferno Elite user 452 Posts |
Has everyone lost their sense of humor?
Pinch looks like much fun when performed for proper audiences. The demo video effectively presents a variety of performing options. As per the ad copy, it looks like it would be effective as a fun stunt or with a more magical presentation. Obviously, Pinch might not appeal to everyone. Yet, I imagine that this type of effect may just be what many are looking for to add to their arsenal. My opinion is based solely on viewing the demo video and the ad copy. If I end up purchasing, I'd be happy to offer my take on it. So, Peter, you should be happy this is back on topic. It veered off due to sirbrad lashing out at me when I gave him a little poke (not realizing that would puncture thin skin). After that, it was simply fun and light entertainment for me. Sorry if you were offended. sirbrad, shame you're...oh, never mind. |
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Magic KL Inner circle 2564 Posts |
I am thinking that this might go well with Cut by Ran Pink.
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inhumaninferno Elite user 452 Posts |
No doubt Magic KL! I was reading Penguin Reviews and someone suggested using Cut with Morgan Strebler's Razors Edge. There's got to be some other offerings in this genre that could be ripped together for a killer set. I'm generally a sleight of hand/classics kind of guy who twists things up via presentation. But I do love the freaky-tiki effects and stunts too. Def some brain frying possibilities...
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MagicBrent Inner circle 2574 Posts |
This is a fun piece. Definitely worth the price. Good instruction. The clean up in the end is nice but it infers you're gonna hand people a business card after and when you're just hanging with friends, you're probably not so prepare for other cleanup methods unless you're going into a mentalism routine
or center tear or some other need for a business card. I look forward to seeing what else these guys come up with. |
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Legendary Wizard Inner circle The Wizard , The Legend 162,885,947,3659, 1694 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2014, MagicBrent wrote: I don't think we are talking about the same thing here .
" Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " ...
- Albert Einstein |
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Zack_Johnston Special user California 656 Posts |
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On Sep 13, 2014, Magician560 wrote: I think he is...view the video at 6:05. |
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ricklaxmagic Special user West Bloomfield, Michigan 690 Posts |
Let's talk about PINCH. Just watched the download, and I love this method. And as we evaluate the trick, we all have to think back to the last David Blaine special. The trick most featured in that special was the needle through arm. Why was that? Well, the title of the special answered that question: Real or Magic? That was the name of the special. And it essentially encompassed everything Blaine did. And people LOVED that ****. 8 million watched. And talked about it.
This line that David Blaine walks...he wants people wondering if what he's doing is real or magic...and for him, the needle through hand trick was the perfect way to accomplish this. Now, if you know the method to that 'trick' and if you're like me, then...well....let's just say, that's not a trick I'd probably be performing any time soon. But let's say you DO want to get in the same performance space as Blaine...you want your audience wondering whether what you're doing is real or magic...PINCH might be the perfect way to make it happen. The downside: Preparation. Does it take a ton of prep? No. But it does take some. The Upside: Holy crap it sure looking like you're bending a freaking needle or pin or safety pin with your fingers. And sticks to your fingers and everything. And totally safe, and I was WAY off on the method. Basically, I thought for sure you'd have something secretly attached to your finger that would blunt the sharpness of the pin...and I was wrong. So I seriously doubt people will be figuring this trick out. You might perform this with the Anderson needle-through-arm to even further obfuscate method. Or you could perform this with any other trick that seems to suggest non-magical super-human abilities....fake strength demonstrations, memory demonstrations. anything... I just wanted to chime in on this thread because 1) I was such a big fan of the last Blaine special, and 2) was so surprised (in a good way) by the method of this trick. |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
I have done the needle through arm for decades, but when I do it I don't give my audience a needle and tell them to copy me because eventually you are gonna have one person who shoves it in their arm. Not everyone is intelligent and sane believe it or not. I admire Blaine as a performer and his persona and always talk up how well versed he is in sleight of hand, presentation, and showmanship. But the reality is he is doing magic on TV and as Jamy Ian Swiss states "A form or venue that does not actually exist, (Street Magic) unless you are 3-5 people in the world with a camera attached to you ass." But he did transcend magic by bringing the magic to the audience and providing focus on the spectator, whether they were actors, stooges, confederates, or whatever.
Blaine even reignited my own interest in magic in the 90's when I was burnt out from doing magic full-time and ready to pursue another job. His lack of a presentation was a presentation in itself, and that of a wandering hobo or mystical Shaman with a monotone voice. I did not rush out to do "Street Magic" as I had no intentions of "harassing passerby's" as Jamy would say who are in a hurry to get to work or their next destination, nor did I find any "empty lots with loud pounding music where all the hot girls hang out." But I already did "strolling magic" at that time at paid gigs where people expect and want entertainment, and Blaine certainly added some fuel to my strolling fire. But I did not care for his transition to "stunts" and till this day his Street Magic special was the best. There were some good tricks in later specials but he tended to focus more on the stunt and started using TV to cheat. But magicians are not the audience and at least he has a history in real magic and sleight of hand and does not just do TV magic with editing, cut-shots, and stooges like another certain hack, or I mean "Mind Freak" we know. Blaine is also likeable, down to earth, and relates to his audience as opposed to just getting in their faces and making it all about him, and acting like an egotistical D-Bag yet having no real sleight of hand skill. But as I said the trick is OK if you would do it yourself and not set up the chance of an audience member getting hurt. But that is just how I would do it because honestly them holding a pin is not going to change anything or strengthen the effect anyway, it can only lead to more bad than good if in the wrong hands. The chances of them stick themselves is probably not great but all it takes is one time. http://www.antinomymagic.com/swiss.htm http://www.linkingpage.com/magicnewsfeed......iss.html
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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