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AMcD
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I ran across this:

http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/arti......x-210176

Probably my bad English or the fact I'm tired, but I don't get exactly what they do under Luis Daniel Frias/Jhon Manuel Soriano-Alequin cases.

Can someone detail with simple words...

Thanks
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As I read it:

(Premise: Roulette chips have no defined value, they're whatever the dealers marker says they are.)
Player #1 takes all the white roulette chips and asks they have a value of $1.00 - the dealer marks white chips as having a value of $1.00
Player #1 then leaves the table after playing for a while, but pockets all the remaining $1.00 white chips and takes them with him
Player #1 passes his $1.00 white chips (that he has taken from the table) off to player #2 (away from the table, and with a bit of time shade applied).
Player #2 goes back to the roulette table and purchases all of the original white chips player #1 lost back to the table, but asks they have a value of $20.00, which the dealer marks.
Player #2 begins playing with the white chips, and shortly he secretly reintroduces the $1.00 white chips into play that player #1 gave him, the ones with the $1.00 value, but now given a value of $20.00 as the dealers marker now indicates.

Some things aren't clearly explained, such as how the dealer didn't notice that the colored chips remaining, (that he was putting a marker down on indicating they were now $20.00 chips) didn't represent a "complete" pile of one color. One would have to presume that the dealer was at fault here.
The more players there were at the table, the easier it would be to get away with the scam, as the dealers stock of roulette chips would be substantially diminished, and inventory of each color would be out at each player.

Also, normally roulette chips aren't to be removed from the roulette table, so again the dealer would have to be weak here.

There still seems to be something missing in the tale, that would largely relate to how the dealer didn't notice that the chips he was marking at $20.00 weren't all there, indicating that there were some that had been removed from the table.

It's not really a very well written article in terms of explaining the subtleties of how this actually worked, specifically how the dealer and surveillance didn't see the scam as it happened ... but with the scam easily discovered by surveillance by viewing the video playback.

The article noted that the scam was slightly different in both cases, and as it's written the first player mentioned (Frias) and his cohort colored up at some point in the scam ... whereas in the second story (Soriano-Alequin) it doesn't mention him specifically coloring up.

At least that's how I read what is a somewhat poorly written article.
If I've got it wrong, someone please DO correct me, as noted above - some parts of the story seem not to make a lot of sense in the authors reporting of the scam(s).
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Phew, my English is not that broken then Smile.

Thanks Silver.

I fully agree, such scams needs many many security holes and bad staff. We live with RFIDs chips/cards, computers, cameras and such ploys are yet still possible? The guys managing the chips looks like very stupid IMHO.
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This is more common then you might think. I'm sure there is a detailed description of this scam somewhere I can find... I'm on my phone now and can't write it myself.

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