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Yogibear0925
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I am about a year into this awesome world of magic, but my knowlege on its history is limited. Does anyone know of a good place online to learn the history of magic?
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Mark Martinez
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You could also try to check MagicTricks.com, they have a Library that had information about past Magicians and a Museum page that has some cool thing listed!

The Library not only has history but it has lots of great facts.

Library
http://www.magictricks.com/library/library.htm

Museum
http://www.magictricks.com/museum/museum.htm
Magically,
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Yogi, you can start with Reginald Scott's "Discoverie of Witchcraft" which is available in paperback from Dover. That will give you a good idea where things were in the 1500s.

There is also a nice book by Milbourne Christopher called "Illustrated History of Magic".
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Join the Learned Pig Project and read from over two hundred volumes of the last century.

http://www.thelearnedpig.com.pa

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Yeah, the 1500's. Thanks for the help.
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If you are interested in late medieval / early renaissance magic you could check out the SCA's magic list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Magic/. We're always willing to talk history.

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Thank you Deerbourne! That group is just what I've been looking for!
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I would recommend just buying some well-known classical books… from Ed Marlo, Bobo, Erdnase, Dai Vernon, and the like. This is the way that you not only know of them, but come to know them.

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What is the oldest source of magic that is in print?
Mark Rough
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Hmmm. Yes, history. There's so much magic history written and so little on line. So. . .

Step one: Turn off the computer.

Step two: Find copies of Milbourne Christopher's Illustrated History of Magic, Sydney Clarkes' Annuls of Conjuring, Claflin and Sheridan's Street Magic, and Eugene Burger and Robert Neale's Magic and Meaning. In addition to what Darck Ninja and Mr. Townsend mentioned above.

Step three: Keep the computer off and read.

On that note, I might not be around for a few days. I've got some reading to do.

Mark
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I applaud you, Mark! I fully and completely agree with you! History, especially, is something that should be "studied" and not skimmed on your computer monitor.

1) Books are easier to read; hands down. Flip pages at your leisure and the Index can be your friend.

2) Books have better print quality.

3) Any Bozo can put information on the Internet (Not that doubt your guys' sources) but publishing a book is a long, complex task. Less grammar mistakes and more solid information can be found in a book.

GO TO THE LIBRARY! I've found a great number of books about the History of Magic (including my latest discovery: Millbourne Cristopher's Book -- The Illustrated History of Magic). It's an excellent source of information!
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I wish there were a clickable smiley for a standing ovation, because I would give both of you guys one.

One of my pet peeves about the internet is that so many people think that ANYTHING they find on the net is absolute gospel. It isn't.

I know that lots of term paper cribbing goes on via the internet

To see how I have taken a step to combat that, click here http://www.billpalmer.com/merlinfo.htm I have received a lot of criticism, both negative and postive because of this page. Be sure you click on the link to the complete research paper.

One of the reasons that so little history of magic appears on the internet is exactly the problem that Mark and Andini mention. It is simply too easy to put up a web page. Publishing a book requires money. And publishers generally don't put money into anything that isn't thoroughly researched and proofread.

Here's a little test. The next time you go onto an "authoritative" web site, look for typographical errors. Generally, the more typographical errors, the higher the BS factor.

Sorry to stray from the topic. But it's one of my hot buttons.

Get books. Mark and Andini have mentioned some of the better ones. Also check Christopher's "Panorama of Magic."

And get acquainted with some good used book dealers. They are a big help.
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