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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Daff' I know what you're going through. My acceptance at my last "church" was an illusion. I know the feeling very well.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Good to hear from you Doug. (.signed Doug).
Oh, they accept me. I have friends and brothers and sisters there. They accept "me" but they don't accept a certain part of me.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
It is truly sad that the Christian church tends to "eat its own". We have enough persecution to deal with without having our supposed brothers and sisters beating us to a pulp as well.
I am glad that I don't deal with this in my Church. I praise God that I am asked regularly to perform at Church functions.
Mike Maturen
World of Wonder Entertainment The Magic and Mayhem of Mike Maturen 989-335-1661 mikematuren@gmail.com AUTHOR OF "A NEW DAWN--Weekly Wisdom From Everyday Life" member: International Magician's Society |
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
In my case, the main perpetrator has now been identified, and I am about to deal with him.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
And from Matthew 5
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. love and prayers brother Harris
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts |
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On Sep 23, 2014, Mike Maturen wrote: Mike, Before you crucify the church by reading the basic explanation Daffydoug has given us of the circumstances in his original post. Daffyoug, has been asked by tbaer exactly what happened, the question was ignored; I posted my outlook earlier and Daffydoug ignored my post; Daffydoug has only replied to members here that have agreed with him. Daffydoug posted that he only wanted to vent, but the thread has been polarized with comments for and against the church. Mike, you regularly perform at your church; Donald Dunphy has a very successful Christian show that is advertised to other churches in his area; my church has 100% accepted me as a magician with no reservations; there are thousands of Gospel magicians in the world performing with no issues. The members in this forum do not know what happened and coming to a conclusion by posting that "we eat our own" with no explanation from Daffydoug of why the church he attends has reversed the offer to perform in my opinion is premature. I'm not trying to start a conflict in the forum; I feel for Daffydoug's pain; but I would be hesitant to condemn a church in the body of Christ before I get facts and so far facts are not forthcoming. |
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Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
Howie:
Thank you for your post. I was not intending to condemn an entire body...that was not my intent. I was speaking in generalities...and it is true that the Church tends to "eat its own". Christians are very often our own worst enemy, mostly while exercising judgmentalism, while at the same time proclaiming the Scripture "Judge not, lest ye be judged...." I think that 99% of Christians are good, compassionate and loving people. It is the unfortunate 1% that causes the problems. Whether Doug's current dilemma was caused by someone in the church or by Doug himself is moot to my point...which was obviously not well communicated If Doug WOULD take the time to explain the situation, perhaps we could all be of more help to him...but alas, he has not thus far.
Mike Maturen
World of Wonder Entertainment The Magic and Mayhem of Mike Maturen 989-335-1661 mikematuren@gmail.com AUTHOR OF "A NEW DAWN--Weekly Wisdom From Everyday Life" member: International Magician's Society |
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts |
Mike we have been Café friends for awhile now and I knew you were not attacking anyone in particular.
I agree that Christians at times can be very judgmental and the results are not pleasant. Yes I agree that 99% of Christians are good people that I would like to associate with, but 100% of Christians are sinners and are far from perfect so problems within the church exists. In conclusion I’m delighted that you understood my points and we are in agreement with no further miscommunication. In HIM Buzz |
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frankie5aces New user Nowhere 77 Posts |
Dude. If every evangelist gave up because of the ignorance of others.. We would all be in trouble. This is your cross. Don't abandon doing God's work because you're misunderstood. Your beef is not with the church but some people in the church. If you wash your hands of the church... You are sounding a whole lot like Pilate. Maybe make decisions based upon reason instead of pure emotion.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
I'm sorry I have been so silent on this my own thread, but this thing has hurt so bad that I suppose I've just clammed up out of pure hurt and possibly disgust from the whole thing. I honestly do not even know how to talk about it anymore. I struggle with words. The pain goes that deep.
You said don't give up, but you see my biological clock is ticking. I'm looking at 60 just around the corner. I simply do not have TIME for silly religious games. These things eat away at my precious years, and I do NOT have time to waste on that anymore. I've spent enough years on those games. They can either join me or be left behind, and as they say, "watch my dust".
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
May God guide you in understanding and action.
When I try to rely on my human understanding and emotions...it doesn't work. Harris turning 61 next month....and loving the sunshine and the showers...
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Amen. I daily make it a point to ACTIVELY seek His wisdom that He promised in James opening verses.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts |
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On Oct 9, 2014, Harris wrote: Harris, I was 61 seven years ago.... The photo in my Avatar is three years old (I'm the one on the right) |
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Russo Inner circle So.California / Centl.Florida / retired Florida 1165 Posts |
At 77 , I know its hard - but remember -"Forgive them Father as they no not what they do"I my 20s, Igave a Show at a Member Church-they asked for a DEAL so I charged 1/4 what I usually do - when putting my props away I heard a Decon say to another "cheap price - cheap show"- Funny - the next year they asked for my Show again - and I charged full price -and did the EXACT SAME SHOW- after the show they came up and exclamed WONDERFUL _ GREAT - I guess they get what they pay for. Keep plugging - YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DO. - its also remindes me when I was planning a Show -an Angel on my Shoulder said "Pretty Good " a Demon an my other shoulder said"OH you just want to be BIG YOU"- My Angel walked accross my shoulders and knocked the Demon right into @#$#@ NO I'm NOT CRAZY _Just Imaginitive-- Ha Ha Ralph(russo)Rousseau
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Lol.
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rmann New user Milton VT and a forum newbie with only 96 Posts |
I know I am coming to this discussion late. Sorry to hear of the problems you have encountered. As a pastor, I can fully empathize. I end up spending a lot of time combating many "Christian Urban Myths", not just in this area but others as well. The thoughts that came to mind were of Paul, who went to the synagogues in a city first and if (when) they rejected him he went to the Gentiles. One of my favorite passages seems applicable...2 Cor 1:3-4 (Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God). When someone else has the same kind of problems, you will know where they have been and be able to give them God's wisdom and comfort, as you yourself have received.
Ray
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
God never waste a hurt.
And as mentioned sometimes we can relate to those that have been there. It does not mean they know exactly what we are going through, because we are all a bit different. We are all Christian Brothers and Sisters. May my/ our work through music, puppetry, humor and magic, be pleasing to Him. love and prayers.....
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts |
Hi ray;
Welcome to the Good News of the Café; I'm a Christian; and I am a full time performer; I perform as a mentalist for adult shows, a magician for kids shows along with performing Gospel magic shows in churches for children's programs. If I can help you in any way, PM me and we can talk Buzz |
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