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To people in the middle, this is a story.

So, assuming you are one of those "people in the middle" what do you believe the story is here?
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It's trivially true that some stories get more traction than others. News organizations are in the business of selling their services, and make judgments based on what they think will sell.

Football is not more important than cancer research. But football gets significantly more press for a reason.

These days with media consolidation, more and more media time and space is dedicated to advertising movies, sports and music that are in the financial bottom line of the conglomerate.
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RNK- Remember when the story was white mobsters shooting other white mobsters? That was basically ignored for decades too- and it still goes on. Street gangs and more organized crime were always equal opportunity ventures. Remember these lines?

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To people in the middle, this is a story.

So, assuming you are one of those "people in the middle" what do you believe the story is here?


I know you didn't ask me, but there is no real story here. Just another senseless murder by a career criminal who's now making political rants to justify what was just another robbery/homicide. Kind of like the scene in Dog Day Afternoon where Al Pacino tries to justify the bank robbery he committed in order to pay for a sex change operation for his boyfriend by chanting "Attica! Attica!"

The DC sniper case also comes to mind. There was some kind of whacked out religious/political justification there, too, if I recall.
correctly. But in the end, they were just serial killers.

And "Son of Sam" claimed he killed because God, disguised as a dog, told him to. Did that make him a jihadist?
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I think what we're seeing is Tevlin's tragic murder being ignored by those who like to bury certain stories in furtherance of a political agenda.

Okay, for the sake of argument let us say Tevlin's murder is being ignored by some in furtherance of a political agenda.

So, then, why are the talking heads who are so concerned about the murder of Tevlin ignoring (for the most part) the murders of Leroy Henderson, Ahmed Said, and Dwone Anderson-Young (i.e. Brown's other recent murder victims)? What political agenda are they furthering? Why are they ignoring the murders of the victim with the Somali background, the African-American victims, the gay victims? Is that because they do not fit the agenda?
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Is the right ignoring this story because the defendant is a white, female, teenage jihadist? Or maybe people just agree with the judge who ordered that she undergo psychiatric evaluations.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/justice/co......FaceBook

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...When she was arrested, Conley had in her possession certification papers for first aid and nursing, the U.S. Army Explorers and the National Rifle Association, according to court documents.


I wonder ISIS required that NRA certification?
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OF COURSE it's a story.

Not on MSNBC

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But there are robbery/murders every single day in this country.

Not where the stated motive was retaliation for Middle East action by a Muslim self-professed jihadist.

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It's apples and oranges when you try to compare it to Ferguson where the national story is about a police officer shooting a black suspect who, according to most witnesses, had his hands up in surrender.

True; it's still possible that the Brown shooting was justified.

Unless, of course, you want to concede that is something that happens every single day as well.

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But this is the typical "deflect and distract" tactic that has become SOP for the right wing. Two new witnesses, both white men who aren't residents of Ferguson, who were simply talking to each other about what they'd just seen, cast serious doubt on the police version of events.

I'm not sure who it is you're suggesting is deflecting and distracting; Fox News has reported the story of the new witnesses and put the video up on their site.

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But, rather than discuss that, the response is "Oh yeah? What about this African American who shot and killed a white kid? So what if he has a long criminal record, including robbery, fraud, assault and child molestation. He now claims to be a jihadist, and that makes it national news just as much as a white cop killing an unarmed black suspect under color of law."

Ohhhhhh you mean ME! First, I'm not right wing. In fact, the right wing's staunchest representative on that thread, has already opined that it was probably a bad shooting; what more do you want? Moreover, I rather resent your implication as to my motive for starting this thread, btw. I started it because on its own, I think it merits discussion; not as any kind of "distraction." That be like if I suggested that you continue to minimize it because the left-wing tactic is to support the president by minimizing any hint of terrorism, whether it's blaming Benghazi on a video or calling the Fort Hood shooting "workplace violence."

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Why don't you yell "Benghazi!" while you're at it? Maybe that will get people to forget about Ferguson.

Unfortunately for your rather presumptuous assignment of motive to me, I have no particular interest in people forgetting about Ferguson.
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Well lets not get silly about if Fox and MSNBC have political agendas. Clearly both do.

But when balducci says things about ready access to guns in the US we start to see what he problem is. What laws exactly do any gun control/regulation advocates thing would have stopped it?


That's the dilemma, isn't it? If, in fact there are NO laws that actually prevent crimes from occurring, then why have any laws at all? But, then again, history has shown that gun regulations, in fact, were an important element in the civilizing of the Old West.

Here's a photograph of Dodge City's Front Street in 1878:

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Great picture. What does that have to do with anything? History has also shown that the automatic weapon ban was not the Utopian vision that people claimed it was.
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I think what we're seeing is Tevlin's tragic murder being ignored by those who like to bury certain stories in furtherance of a political agenda.

Okay, for the sake of argument let us say Tevlin's murder is being ignored by some in furtherance of a political agenda.

So, then, why are the talking heads who are so concerned about the murder of Tevlin ignoring (for the most part) the murders of Leroy Henderson, Ahmed Said, and Dwone Anderson-Young (i.e. Brown's other recent murder victims)? What political agenda are they furthering? Why are they ignoring the murders of the victim with the Somali background, the African-American victims, the gay victims? Is that because they do not fit the agenda?


IMO, the stated motivation for the killing is what makes it a story. That differentiates Tevlin from the earlier victims of Brown in a relevant way.
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On Sep 18, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote:

I think what we're seeing is Tevlin's tragic murder being ignored by those who like to bury certain stories in furtherance of a political agenda.

Okay, for the sake of argument let us say Tevlin's murder is being ignored by some in furtherance of a political agenda.

So, then, why are the talking heads who are so concerned about the murder of Tevlin ignoring (for the most part) the murders of Leroy Henderson, Ahmed Said, and Dwone Anderson-Young (i.e. Brown's other recent murder victims)? What political agenda are they furthering? Why are they ignoring the murders of the victim with the Somali background, the African-American victims, the gay victims? Is that because they do not fit the agenda?


IMO, the stated motivation for the killing is what makes it a story. That differentiates Tevlin from the earlier victims of Brown in a relevant way.

How so? Brown gave the same justification for all of the killings.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2014/0......ght.html

"Brown later confessed to the crime, according to court documents, telling authorities he had killed Tevlin and three Washington men as retribution for U.S. military action in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and other Islamic countries."
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Ohhhhhh you mean ME! First, I'm not right wing.


That's a good one. I'd hate to see what your definition of right wing is if you claim to be a centrist.


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I think that Lobo has a one right wing and one left wing. It's what keeps him from flapping around in circles.
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Ohhhhhh you mean ME! First, I'm not right wing.


That's a good one. I'd hate to see what your definition of right wing is if you claim to be a centrist.


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From reading a lot of Lobo's posts I would definitely say he is center. I actually first thought he was left but recently he has moved a little to the right. Laws of average = center.
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Ohhhhhh you mean ME! First, I'm not right wing.


That's a good one. I'd hate to see what your definition of right wing is if you claim to be a centrist.


Smile Smile Smile Smile


Well, as a for instance, most of the right-wingers I know are Christian Republicans who are pro-life, against gay marriage, and support the war on drugs, none of which applies to me.

But I can see where from your vantage point, anything close to the center appears far right.
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Delusions are still delusions even if they are shared.


Just like your posts......
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Delusions are still delusions even if they are shared.


Very well put, indeed.
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Delusions are still delusions even if they are shared.


Very well put, indeed.


Thanks.



Hey, wait a minute...
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Ohhhhhh you mean ME! First, I'm not right wing. In fact, the right wing's staunchest representative on that thread, has already opined that it was probably a bad shooting; what more do you want?
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Lobo, if you're referring to me as the 'right wing's staunchest representative', I hate to break it to you but I'm not aware of any, (or very, very few anyway), positions that I disagree with you on. So that may mean that either I'm more centrist than you believe or you're more right wing than you're aware of! Smile
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