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Probably.

We all know that they do lie and so you would be an idiot to trust them.
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We did land on the moon. The question to ask is, "Why have we not been BACK?" They say...eh...someone is mining helium 3...we are forbidden to go there.

Oh! Another conspiracy theory! Never mind...

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Probably.

We all know that they do lie and so you would be an idiot to trust them.


The free press tends to keep them in line in the long run.
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We did land on the moon. The question to ask is, "Why have we not been BACK?" They say...eh...someone is mining helium 3...we are forbidden to go there.

Oh! Another conspiracy theory! Never mind...

Doug


We haven't been back because there's no way to make a profit off of it. The astronauts themselves said it was so dangerous up there, they were worried that something not fixable was going to happen and they be stranded.
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On Oct 3, 2014, Dougini wrote:
We did land on the moon. The question to ask is, "Why have we not been BACK?" They say...eh...someone is mining helium 3...we are forbidden to go there.

Oh! Another conspiracy theory! Never mind...

Doug


We haven't been back because there's no way to make a profit off of it. The astronauts themselves said it was so dangerous up there, they were worried that something not fixable was going to happen and they be stranded.


I don't doubt that the astronauts said that. However they don't make the decisions. Also I believe the eligible astronauts would form a long line of volunteers for another moon landing. Astronauts may be the wrong word. I should say those who are qualified to go would form a long line.

Why don't we go back? I don't have any idea. Of course I don't know why we went there in the first place. I would assume there is a lot to be learned by going back but for some reason the decision has been made not to. Some day in the future we will...anyway I assume we will. However, us common folk will not know why we are going back.
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Isn't it obvious why we went the first time? The space race with the Soviets was a central part of the Cold War. When Gagarin became the first man in space, it was clear that we were way behind them. Not only for tactical reasons, but for national pride, did we push to be the first on the moon.

And why do you assume that "us common folk" won't know why were are going back? You are aware, are you not, that civilian scientists, private industry and public universities are integrally involved in the space program?

And keep in mind that if it wasn't for the space program, the computer you used to post your message would probably be a lot more primitive than it is.
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Probably be a typewriter and a mail box.
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True. The miniaturization that space craft required really jump started the our technological revolution. Hard to believe that today's laptop has thousands of times the computing power of the NASA systems that existed back in 1969.
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Isn't it obvious why we went the first time? The space race with the Soviets was a central part of the Cold War. When Gagarin became the first man in space, it was clear that we were way behind them. Not only for tactical reasons, but for national pride, did we push to be the first on the moon.

And why do you assume that "us common folk" won't know why were are going back? You are aware, are you not, that civilian scientists, private industry and public universities are integrally involved in the space program?

And keep in mind that if it wasn't for the space program, the computer you used to post your message would probably be a lot more primitive than it is.


Ok. Us common folk will not know "the real reason" for going back.

Do you really believe that without the moon landing the computer as we know it would not exist?

The only point I can fully agree with you is the "for national pride" comment.

The us common folk comment is I believe shared by many and in many cases with good reason. I am definitely not a conspiracy person. But in many cases we are like mushrooms and that is we are kept in the dark and fed BS. I see this constantly even in local politics as to what is done and why it is done and what is released to the public.
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Heck it was a logical extension of manifest destiny. We wouldn't know there was no point in going till we got there. Sort of like Branson.

The moon is expensive to go to. Why spend money? As for computers they and many things would be different without the moon landing and the cold war.
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I suspect that private industry and competition is much more of the reason the computer we use is not more primitive. If it were strictly up to the government, the home computer would have been at least a decade or two later than it was.
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But it was those private companies competing for government contracts that spurred much of the development.
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If you don't believe that the space program directly spurred the research that led to today's computers, you're simply wrong. There's really no argument. And as I've repeatedly pointed out, nearly ALL government sponsored projects are accomplished in cooperation with private industries and universities. (Even the Manhattan project.)
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The space race definitely pushed the development of computers. Here is an interesting article: http://www.dvice.com/archives/2011/05/the_unsung_comp.php
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The point being that the often heard arguments that space exploration is a waste of money are ridiculous. The scientific advances and practical applications of new technologies have been nothing short of incredible.
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Many say the same of the cold war and weapons development.
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I agree. And the space program was very much part of the cold war and weapons development. Don't forget the DARPA was originally the military equivalent of NASA.
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Yea it clearly had many benefits.
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The point being that the often heard arguments that space exploration is a waste of money are ridiculous. The scientific advances and practical applications of new technologies have been nothing short of incredible.


The important question is not whether there are knowledge gains from funding the space program, but whether the same investment, applied somewhere else, would bring about more important gains. Not a simple question, by any means.
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It is a difficult question. But there is no doubt that the unique requirements of the space program spurred research into areas, such as miniaturization and computing, that had universal ramifications. I honestly believe that today's computers would still be a thing of the future if it weren't for the space program.
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