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Just ordered. Shipping cost stinks though. I know it will be worth it though.
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I honestly don't get the big deal over this exposure issue...

What are you going to tell your spectators ? This is my informant peek wallet ? Lol.

Don't show enough in a trailer, people get frustrated. Show people too much, and they still get frustrated. Also. This is not as much as trick as it is a utility tool. Wouldn't you want to know how the utility tool works before you buy it ?

For me , a product video with exposure doesn't mean anything if a layperson stumbles across it. The very existence of magic DVDs that are for
Sale, meaning the trick you performed is a bought secret is enough to almost completely ruin the magic in the spectators eyes, so this video is doing no harm.
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On Sep 27, 2014, Fatgumbo wrote:
This is not as much as trick as it is a utility tool.
Actually, now it is neither. Now it's just an exposed piece of junk courtesy of magicians who think they are more than trick schleppers humping the almighty dollar.

Sell what you can as fast as you can, it will soon be over!.
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Great trailer He knows the wallet is for magicians & mentalist so he is showing you what you will get awesome !I really don't think lay people are going on magic forums & magic sites .
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Why do you think so many pros are anti this kind of exposure, yet so many hobbyists aren't?
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On Sep 28, 2014, IAIN wrote:
Why do you think so many pros are anti this kind of exposure, yet so many hobbyists aren't?



Darn, that is it in a nut shell... I like wallets just like the next person, but why was it necessary to show it as he did it.



Eay
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Wow--this is a great utility item.
The trailer is for magicians and mentalist and not for the general public and I see nothing wrong with it.
Lets talk about the wallet--it's a fabulous item for every-day use and strolling magic. I'm thinking of getting one.
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It is publicly accessible, anyone can see it...
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Has anyone been in contact with Bobby Motta and asked his views on this ?
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Hi guys, we've been listening! The trailer in question has been removed and a new one has just been uploaded here http://youtu.be/K460eh14iZw



With it being the weekend we've been doing our best to address this issue and will have the video on the actual product page updated as well once our tech team is able to make the changes.

We appreciate the honest feedback and for helping us keep the art of magic on the right track. The only thing left to say is...thank you!

All the best!
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Oh jeez. There was nothing wrong with the trailer, at all. Most NORMAL, non-petty, non sanctimonious human beings would appreciate a reveal of the workings of the wallet so we can make an INFORMED decision to buy one, like myself. EVEN IF HOBBYISTS do find the trailer and know how it works, so what???? It's not like they can go to a leather shop and make one themselves or copy it, it is a specific piece of kit. AND HOW WILL LAYMEN EVER FIND OUT ABOUT THE WALLET??? HOW???

This is all so stupid...... people moan when a trailer shows NOTHING, then moan when it gives us the valuable information we need to make a purchase decision. For all those who questioned the trailer, somewhere out there, there is a tree struggling to produce oxygen. I suggest you go and apologise to it.

P.S. THE PRODUCT ROCKS, well done ellusionist.
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Has anyone been in contact with Bobby Motta and asked his views on this ?



Yes and yes.
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Oh jeez. There was nothing wrong with the trailer, at all. Most NORMAL, non-petty, non sanctimonious human beings would appreciate a reveal of the workings of the wallet so we can make an INFORMED decision to buy one, like myself. EVEN IF HOBBYISTS do find the trailer and know how it works, so what???? It's not like they can go to a leather shop and make one themselves or copy it, it is a specific piece of kit. AND HOW WILL LAYMEN EVER FIND OUT ABOUT THE WALLET??? HOW???

This is all so stupid...... people moan when a trailer shows NOTHING, then moan when it gives us the valuable information we need to make a purchase decision. For all those who questioned the trailer, somewhere out there, there is a tree struggling to produce oxygen. I suggest you go and apologise to it.

P.S. THE PRODUCT ROCKS, well done ellusionist.


you're entitled to your opinion....allow others to have theirs...

from my perspective its about guarding our secrets, taking care what is open to the public to access and protecting your investment..what I will say though is this...

if you think people don't google how magic and mentalism is done, you're wrong....

downstairs in inner thoughts I provide a link to smoothini's performance on a big talent show, someone edited it and revealed each trick...it had a million hits, with many, many people thanking him for the names and reveals...this one video is a drop in the ocean of the sheer amount of reveal videos on youtube...

if you perform, if you perform for money, if you just show stuff in a bar for any length of time, you will come across a psuedo-alpha male type who wants to show off, blab and whatever else, you will also get some people who are just really curious...

typing in "magic wallet" into google gives you plenty of leads...some to online magic shops...at very best you are being niave if you believe otherwise...

one of the comments from the vid says "i was always asking how he do that.. and I love it when someone explaine how it works"
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On Sep 28, 2014, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
Oh jeez. There was nothing wrong with the trailer, at all. Most NORMAL, non-petty, non sanctimonious human beings would appreciate a reveal of the workings of the wallet so we can make an INFORMED decision to buy one, like myself. EVEN IF HOBBYISTS do find the trailer and know how it works, so what???? It's not like they can go to a leather shop and make one themselves or copy it, it is a specific piece of kit. AND HOW WILL LAYMEN EVER FIND OUT ABOUT THE WALLET??? HOW???

This is all so stupid...... people moan when a trailer shows NOTHING, then moan when it gives us the valuable information we need to make a purchase decision. For all those who questioned the trailer, somewhere out there, there is a tree struggling to produce oxygen. I suggest you go and apologise to it.

P.S. THE PRODUCT ROCKS, well done ellusionist.


Thank you for supporting the continuing trivialization of magic and mentalism.

Fortunately, Ellusionist themselves agreed that the video went over the line and replaced it.
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Nah, ellusionist never agreed nothing. They're just trying to appease all the moaners and protect their sales.
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Good luck in life, magicmarkworldwide2...
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On Sep 28, 2014, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
Nah, ellusionist never agreed nothing. They're just trying to appease all the moaners and protect their sales.


Like I said, thank you for supporting the continuing trivialization of magic and mentalism. Have you considered taking up stamp collecting?
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On Sep 28, 2014, IAIN wrote:
typing in "magic wallet" into google gives you plenty of leads...some to online magic shops...at very best you are being niave if you believe otherwise...


If you perform a routine using a p**k wallet and afterwards someone types "magic wallet" into google, you're already screwed. You're performance is a turd and you have much bigger things to worry about than online exposure.
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You're kinda missing the point...

though I do agree with you on some levels - the point is that the clip was giving too much info away for free, and that perform for any amount of time, and there will be a certain type of person who does google around for things - you just have to read the endless "regular" forums out there with thousands of people discussing how derren, dynamo, angel and others do their stuff...these are regular, everyday people...
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