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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts 
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At the very least, YouTube videos that show the workings of effects should be unlisted- only accessible to those who have the link and NOT by casual surfers. And if the link is posted on a password protected site, that is even better.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts
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I haven't been following this too closely but didn't this issue come up with the Telethought wallet teaser as well?
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Cassidy001 Loyal user 283 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2014, saysold1 wrote: The exact same goes for the Nomad. I have used it hundreds of times now and nobody has ever even come close to the method
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2014, Cassidy001 wrote: Are you saying that public exposures on YouTube are fine then? (I really don't think you're saying that.) |
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 957 Posts
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On Oct 1, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I agree that exposure to magic is very sad for those that love the art and have worked hard to perfect their craft and to entertain and enjoy. When I got into magic many years ago it was because I adored magic from being very young and being enthralled watching magicians. Now call me old fashioned if you want, but what attracted me most was that one day I wanted to become part of a magic society where only magician know what other magicians know, and when joining a magic society or the magic circle you signed a declaration to secrecy and this is what keeps the art of magic surviving. We might not be able to stop technology, internet, youtube etc. But if you want to protect the art that we love then we have to value it and it is up to us to morally support our magical art by speaking out against Exposure and discouraging it. This is only my opinion and hopefully others. Graham
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Graham-
I'll happily call you "old fashioned." So am I. I totally agree with you. Good thoughts, Bob "Old School" Cassidy |
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 957 Posts
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Thank you Bob. (Mastermindreader)
You are a gentleman and scholar and legend to the art of magic. Thank you so much for your contribution and literature to our profound art. Best Wishes Graham
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: No just trying to remember other blatant video exposure(s). There's never a reason to show the workings publicly. Nomad was another one.
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Cassidy001 Loyal user 283 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I am absolutely not saying it is ok. I have just been lucky over the years using a product that was exposed. The product was a great idea and it was exposed but luckily nobody either knew what to look for or just didn't care to know the secret because they were being entertained. I hope that it has always been the entertainment aspect. I hate that we are being exposed. I refused to watch the Masked Magician out of disgust and I can't stand You Tube reveals. I did still take a chance on the Nomad though and haven't regretted the decision. I am taking a chance on the Informant and will hope for the best. I didn't mean to make you think that I was in support of exposure.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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I didn't think you were- but since your name is Cassidy I had to be sure!
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts
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The exact same goes for the Nomad. I have used it hundreds of times now and nobody has ever even come close to the method Exactly. Probably because when you perform it you don't say "BTW, this trick is called Nomad". Right? So it's really hard IMHO to claim that it was exposure...
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matt.magicman Inner circle Mars 1524 Posts
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UK stockists?
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Luke Dancy Inner circle Las Vegas 1163 Posts
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I just got an early peek at the instructional part of this and Bobby has come up with some really slick ways to get the peek that I never thought of. You can tell this guy is a worker!
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1579 Posts
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For most of us the issue has more to do with the growing pains of buying magic on the web as compared to the old days of brick and mortar shops. In both cases, magic "tricks" should NEVER be exposed to the buyer until the secret has been purchased. But with "utility" items such as a wallet it was quite common to be able to view/handle them in shops to better help with your decision. The difficulty that online stores have today is knowing who their paying customers are and their commitment to the art. When you walked into a magic shop years ago, the person behind the counter generally knew who the pros were compared to the casual hobbyist. The next logical step for online stores is to figure out how they can register paid performers so that they could get a sneak peek (no pun intended) at certain accessory items behind the curtain so to speak.
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts
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On Oct 6, 2014, Luke Dancy wrote: Is it still set to ship on Wednesday (8 October 2014)? Tony |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts
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So, Jared, greats such as Milt Kort and John Ramsey would be denied benefits you say should be given only to paid performers?
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1579 Posts
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Ray,
I'm not necessarily saying respected performers well-known within the community should be denied. Your taking my post to the letter rather than getting the gist of the overall concept. To avoid a pointless dispute let's just say performers who are more than just your casual hobbyist. |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12968 Posts
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On Sep 28, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: LOL!! |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts
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Jared, I don't engage in pointless disputes. It just bothers me that a lot people think that only paid performers are good magicians, that if you were a good magician, you'd be out there making money at it, which is clearly not the case. So your idea of somehow having a registry of magicians who are not just casual hobbyists is impractical, if not impossible.
John C, the guy, magicmarkworldwide2, already apologized, profusely, for a silly mistake. Is there any need to keep piling on? |
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1579 Posts
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Ray,
Again, not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers here. I just threw out a raw concept. If you have a better idea than please share. I agree to your point that you don't have to be a paid performer to be good. I don't know if there's a viable solution out there waiting in the wings, but we seem to both agree that secrets should be kept under wraps. Cheers Jared |
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