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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Please explain the quote of Robert-Houdin.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
"A magician is an actor playing the part of a magician."
What about that needs explaining? (But, just to be clear, while my act - and those of virtually all of the top acts I know - is scripted, I frequently engage the audience with unscripted ad-libs dictated by a particular situation or happenstance. But, very often, those "ad-libs" are also scripted, much in the way that Pop mentioned earlier- I use specific responses depending on how the audience or a participant reacts. But, yes, I occasionally will make an entirely unscripted remark in a unique situation. If it gets a good response, I refine it and eventually it might make it into my script, either in the main body, or in my reserve of useful ad-libs.) |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
It seems to me, the goal of the event is to give the brain complete satisfaction. As the brain has two hemispheres, one needing fact and the other fiction for their satisfaction, then one “must” provide both fact and fiction to give the brain complete satisfaction. Magic is the fact and the patter is the fiction of the event. Both hemispheres are of equal size and so it is import is to give the audience an equal measure of magic and patter. The best advice I think with regard to practice is one should rehearse the "Patter" as carefully as the Action. Never present “anything” in public which you can not do with the utmost ease in private. I personally am no good at writing patter/script and so I use the patter found in my card books. There only three sorts of magician which are the Zany, the Witty and and the Mystical and the patter determines the sort you are it seems to me. Of late, because I become fascinated by Mystery religion, I look out for that sort patter for the plausible nonsense to offer as cause of the effect for their amusement. However whatever appeals to me I will use I think is amusing. I mean, I am not a professional, just card unpaid card guy who does not an to sell. My last performance was "a" card trick for a girl in a bar. Incidentally I think girls prefer mystical. Women often, go for New Age stuff because they're more nature. They love nature more so than the men and they love flowers, because they give birth, they tend to go into this wanting to control through natural magic, witchcraft like.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
We have talked about this Robert-Houdin quote or miss/quote before here in the café
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......tart=120 The full quote thanks to Bill Palmer is, "A conjuror is not a juggler; he is an actor playing the part of a magician; an artist whose fingers have more need to move with deftness than with speed." Sort of changes the meaning once the full quote is take in context rather than out of context. I hope this helps.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It actually makes your point even more pointless if that were even possible.
Just my opinion. I hope this helps.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: Actually, Danny you can go and pound sand for all I care. This silly game is pointless. We all seem to know that you hate my guts, hate my magic, etc. I see this as just another pointless attempt by you to wind me up. Here is another point you may not agree with - it really doesn't matter if you hate my guts or not. The point is that "I" think you do! All anyone has to do is read the posts. Now post away... I am no longer responding to any of your posts. I hope this helps. Just my opinion. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Don't respond good. But when you start the attacking and cry when people attack you it is silly.
Regardless your views are ridiculous. You use a script. Even if you don't know what it is called. I hope this helps. Just my opinion.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
Here is my approach to not using a script.
I have a group of tricks (routines) I pick out depending on the performing conditions. Then I have my opening tricks - I pick one. I have my closing tricks and I pick one. All this depends on my performing conditions. Then what I do in the middle is another group of tricks, what order I do them depends on my mood and the performing conditions. I change the order at any time during the act. Sometimes I do more card magic sometimes I do not. The talk as I have said is a conversation with the audience. This way the show sort of could be said to written while it is being performed. Every show is different. That is what works for me. As I said before - others have their own way of doing things. I hope this helps. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2014, bishthemagish wrote: Whether or not the quote was complete, Robert-Houdin nonetheless clearly stated that a magician "is an actor playing the part of a magician." What part of that are you missing? |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: If you wish to think magicians are actors - there is nothing wrong with that. Or actors playing the part of a magician. My approach is not like that. You do what works for you. My way the way it works for me is not for everyone, and may only work for me. It is certainly not the popular one. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
“By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail.”
― Benjamin Franklin
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
+1
Well said, tommy. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Absolutely +2.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Mind you I do have some friends who have the gift of gab and they are just naturals I guess. One is a gypsy fellow who is completely illiterate but he is very sharp witted. He seems to have the ability to instantly see the comedy in things and turns it into an entertaining act on the spot. His daughter also has the gift of the gab. She was over my house yesterday for dinner and she is not funny but fascinating in the way she can talk about people. She can see through people, if you know what I mean, insightful. Her conversation is captivating.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: I suppose it would be kind of pointless to discuss the equally important elements of a professional act like premise, persona and subscript. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I recall reading somewhere that a professional, needs an act, otherwise he has nothing to sell the client, whereas an amateur only needs a trick. If a professional needs an act - and I think he does- then surely he would need to rehearse the act and that calls for a script? I am not in the "business" bear in mind so I don't know.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Not unless you discuss them with only people that agree with you!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2014, bishthemagish wrote: Why would anyone want to do that, Glenn? It is only interesting to discuss topics with people who have a different perspective. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2014, tommy wrote: You're correct, tommy. Quote:
On Nov 10, 2014, bishthemagish wrote: Not at all. But it obviously would be pointless to discuss them with you. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On Nov 11, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Your choice Bob.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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