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With great interest did I read the "Card magic skills: learning by order of importance" Thread. What I found for myself, that it makes sense for me to practise combinations.
At the moment for example I practise the Elmsley count together with the Jordan count. This is a practical combination because the one ends in the starting position of the other.
I actually need only the Elmsley count for the specific "Trick" I am aiming for, but in this way I end up knowing the Trick, and two false counts.

Are there other combinations where you practise more then one method in one smooth go?
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Learn a good control (a force can be considered a control), a good double turnover and a good palm, and you can do miracles. I did without an Elmsley Count/Jordan Count for decades. Yes, I do use them now - and there's a piece in APOCALYPSE on practicing both, and derivations of same.
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Not quite at the stage of learning false counts yet, so this may be a stupid question; but, would people say there is an order of importance/significance for different types of counts? Don't know if I'm making myself clear, but basically are some counts better than others?
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It's obviously according to the effect the count is involved in.
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It's obviously according to the effect the count is involved in.
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Ok, so it was a stupid question then, thanks for the reply though.
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I came to learn the Elmsley Count because I am putting together a little show for the kids who will be at our Party for New Year.
Since it is educational I wanted to do the "Oil and Water" which is basically a lot of Elmsley counts. This was also the point where I realised that basic moves is what I need to practise.
I already know the hindu shuffle and a couple of other shuffles and other little moves (pinky brake, ..).

While practising the Elmsley count I got annoyed that I had to rearrange the cards to get to the starting position and found that the Jordan count does that.
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Well, various false shuffles and controls can be done all the time whilst maintaining track of the position of a card. I believe there's a drill like this in the RRTCM. If I'm fiddling with a deck I'll often go through various shuffles/controls that I know keeping track of a card, moving it from top to bottom etc.
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A great drill to practice is the cull. From a shuffled deck cull any 4 of a kind or all the hearts or any suit etc. Mix it up.
Culling cards is a very useful tool and one you will use quite often. It does take practice to look smooth but it can be used in combination with card controls for a fantastic revelations.
Kostya Kimlat has some great work on the cull.. http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S12152
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I can control a card with false shuffles etc, it was specifically counts I was asking about. Thanks for the link davidpaul$, might have to ask Father Christmas for that! Although, he has quite a big list already, and I don't think my boys would be best impressed if Daddy got more than them- I have been a good boy this year though! Any other recommendations for learning different counts from- must admit I prefer books.
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Regarding the original question, a good combination to learn together are a pass and a palm.
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