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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Oh and to add, the term has been somewhat loosened up because of the low key hit (over here at least) of the tv show, The Mentalist...
imagine my surprise that it wasn't about a raver turning up at crime scenes with some day-glo stick and "'avin' it large"...
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Thank you Iain.
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innercirclewannabe Inner circle Ireland 1597 Posts |
There is no doubt that the TV show has really given people a different view point to the meaning of the word....
I bill myself as a Mentalist / Mind Reader.
Tá sé ach cleas má dhéanann tú sé cuma mhaith ar cheann.
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Rolyan Special user I'm fencing in my land; so far there are 590 Posts |
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On Nov 2, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: They, and you, are wrong if you believe it is in common use. It's not. You say you've heard many of your British friends use the word this way. I can honestly say that I've NEVER heard ONE Britisher use it this way. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Personal experience doesn't equate to something becoming a fact though...
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Wasn't looking for an argument, Roylan. I've heard plenty use the word that way. But, then again, my friends and I have been around long before Derren Brown and the television show "The Mentalist" started to change to common use of the word.
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Rolyan Special user I'm fencing in my land; so far there are 590 Posts |
I wasn't arguing Bob, I'm just surprised that anyone thinks that folk in the UK use the term Mentalist as derogatory, to mean someone with mental health issues. I've been around long enough (like yourself, before Derren was born, never mind became popular). The point about personal experience is a fair one, but I've lived and worked throughout the UK, with young and old, and have everyone from Scuffers to CEOs as close friends. Yet I promise you I have never ever heard it used that way. Ever, by anyone, in any circumstances. Which leads me to confidently state it is not commonly used to refer to someone with mental health problems.
I suggest that like so many things on here, we will all have to agree to disagree, and decide what our reality is by our own experience. Best wishes Rolyan Magical Entertainer, mentalist, charlatan and all round experienced UK person, who wonders why Americans can't speak proper English like I used to could when I was a children. P.S. for my own piece of mind I'm going to run a survey over the next few days. I'm going to ask random folk what is meant by 'mentalist'. If 1 person states that it is used to describe someone with mental health issues, I will definitely come back on here and eat humble pie. P.S. one term we do use is 'mental' to mean the above. An ugly term much loved by the ill educated masses. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
"Mental" is used that way in the US as well. It's really just a short form of "mental case."
If you never heard "mentalist" used that way before in the UK, you might watch the link Iain posted above: Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8tciBFpCI And they you can't say "never" again. |
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george1953 Inner circle Mallorca (Spain) 5943 Posts |
This thread is driving me mental ;-)
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Personally, I've heard a lot of people use the term "mentalist" to mean crazy. It does seem to be a little less less common the last few years, though.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Thank you, too, Martin. I didn't really think that my English friends had misinformed me.
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Rolyan Special user I'm fencing in my land; so far there are 590 Posts |
I don't think anyone was suggesting that they had misinformed you. I was only surprised that many of your British friends (suggesting a high percentage) have used the term in general conversation with you. My survey so far suggests that it is far less common than you and others believe, yet you've somehow randomly selected a group of friends who not only know the word but have used it as well. You're definitely beating the odds there.
As I said, we all need to let our experiences define our reality. I'm sure those with Mentalist on their business cards don't have too much to worry about. But if you and Martin and others have persuaded them to change then that's cool too. Which hopefully brings this thread back on track. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I am not sure if people are suggesting it is commonly used, as in, on a daily basis you will hear the term being used...its just when it IS used, its usually in the Alan partridge sense, than the mind reading sense...
There's even a French trance/dance act called Le Mentalisté! Meant in the non mind reading sense...
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Kroots New user Manchester, UK 62 Posts |
I only know the term being used from Alan Partridge and whenever I have heard someone use it, it has been because they are quoting him.
I have never heard anyone use it in derogative sense. But then again some people have said that they have so I guess it just comes down to experiences. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Roylan- So you're no longer saying that you've NEVER heard the word used that way.
Earlier you said that, "If 1 person states that it is used to describe someone with mental health issues, I will definitely come back on here and eat humble pie." Need a fork? |
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Rolyan Special user I'm fencing in my land; so far there are 590 Posts |
Bob - just to be clear, I have NEVER heard ANY person say it in ANY circumstances, other than the link that Ian posted (I'm assuming you're not referring to that).
I accept that many of your friends have used it in conversation, and that Martin has heard it lots, etc, but I haven't heard it once. I don't know how clearer I can be. |
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kylehartman New user Perhaps I'll create 9 Posts |
What does everyone think about using alternative words like "Conjuror" or "Wizard" on business cards? Is there really such a stigma against the word "Magician" being juvenile (associated with children's birthday parties)? How can we use business cards to create a better sense of professionalism among performers?
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Chaz93 Inner circle Texas 1754 Posts |
Cause yeah, there is nothing juvenile about calling yourself a wizard...
If you do conjuring then I suppose it would make sense to put conjuror on your business card. I would not put wizard on it though, unless I actually was a wizard. Generally though when I meet people who claim to be wizards (yes, it happens more often than you'd think) I assume they are mentally unstable. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Do you mean a mentalist wizard, Chaz?
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Kroots New user Manchester, UK 62 Posts |
What about a 'Mentalist Conjuror'? That puts a bad taste in my mouth to say the least!
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