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First off.. Can someone tell me if I'm correct in thinking there are 3 in play?
I'm trying to be as vague as possible.

But with that in mind. I'm wondering about the chop cup. I'm working on a routine and all I can really do at this point is cannibalize Frankenstein and pilfer other routines into my disjointed attempt.. And it's obvious that its a collection of different personalities.

What is the theory behind creating a chop cup routine? I've noticed that surprise is much more important than apparent skill and magic moments. I've seen that trend. But what else.. Makes a great chop cup routine?
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In some way chop cup is limited. Ball is placed in hand vanish to appear under the cup, Ball put in pocket vanish and appears under the cup. Then usual finish something big pops out. But in other ways there is so many options. The pace is important slow and clear coming fast and quick to then doing something sligth different then a real shocker.

I am working on my chop cup at the moment and have a simaulaur problem to you. But thank to note books and brain storm I migth be on to something that is a little different and suites my charter.

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Frankie,
I suggest you try getting some books/booklets on the chop cup. That will take care of the character issue - there won't be a 'style' to imitate, so you will develop your own.
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Merlin T Shutt has a brilliant pamphlet on the Topic but it was a morrisey product and since they shut down I have no idea where to get it either than ebay but it still shouldn't be hard to find. there is also penetration and impossible locations that can be done in a good chop routine. Another one to check out is Chop by Craig Petty its a great anywhere any time chop routine that kills. hope this is helpful.
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Thank you all.
I have a follow up question. I see the cup used as a way to produce balls I have already left the cup. But I rarely if ever have seen anyone use the cup as a way to vanish balls that go inside. Is that a technique that I'm overlooking?
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Frankie - the chop cup is a tool (prop if you will) used to entertain. There are many different things you can do with it - most, if not all, of them are written up somewhere. Expand your research to cups and balls techniques and you will have even more options at your disposal.

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Hudson. What do you think are the major themes which separate the theories regarding creating a chop cup routine vs a cups and balls routine? The chop cup has a tool that really makes magic happen in the spectators eyes IMHO. How can I use that tool to its full potential?
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Remember you are the magic not the cup I do a penetration through a cloth into a shot glass I'm not the first one to do it but I saw it , liked it and I use it. look up other routines pick what you like decide if you want a fast paced routine like Paul Daniels or something a little slower but with more magic. figure out the stuff that works best with your style.
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Check out "ChopSign" that has many ideas for additional Chop Cup routines
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On Nov 3, 2014, frankie5aces wrote:
Hudson. What do you think are the major themes which separate the theories regarding creating a chop cup routine vs a cups and balls routine? The chop cup has a tool that really makes magic happen in the spectators eyes IMHO. How can I use that tool to its full potential?


I don't think I am qualified (expert enough in magic theory) to directly answer your question. That said, properly done a C&B routine also makes magic happen in the spectators eyes . I believe that many spectators would describe a chop cup and a C&B routine similarly. Only one is typically done with three cups and the other with only one cup.

There are one-cup routines that don't use chop cup. And they are as impressive, if not more so, than your typical chop cup routine. Focus on the effect you are trying to achieve and then figure out how to get there. (For example see John Carney's Fruit Cup).

I'm not one to argue the merits of one trick versus another. There is good magic and bad magic, but amongst good magic, debating which is better I think is pointless. Preference and your goals should dictate that.

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On Nov 1, 2014, frankie5aces wrote:
First off.. Can someone tell me if I'm correct in thinking there are 3 in play?
I'm trying to be as vague as possible.

But with that in mind. I'm wondering about the chop cup. I'm working on a routine and all I can really do at this point is cannibalize Frankenstein and pilfer other routines into my disjointed attempt.. And it's obvious that its a collection of different personalities.

What is the theory behind creating a chop cup routine? I've noticed that surprise is much more important than apparent skill and magic moments. I've seen that trend. But what else.. Makes a great chop cup routine?


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