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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts |
IMHO, when will society recognize that there are professions much more worthy of an outrageous salary (not many though) than the ones based solely on an individual's skill in catching, throwing or hitting a ball? It's been absurb for years now and getting worse!
"Marlins, Stanton discussing record-breaking $320 million deal" - http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/spor......Slugger/
John
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
It's not about that at all.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Tom is right. It's about a player getting back a fair portion of what everyone else is getting for his marketing value.
Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr are rich men. But they made thousands of others rich while getting there. Yet I don't recall anyone ever saying that rock stars and Hollywood stars are causing things to get "out of hand". One doesn't kill the golden goose. One feeds the goose a fair share of the profit. |
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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts |
Fair I can agree with, unrestrained greed I cannot.
John
"A poor workman always blames his tools" |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
It is odd how complacent we are with child care workers earning wages below the poverty line. Or medical assistants. I suppose it wouldn't take more than a few minutes to think of gruesomely underpaid workers.
But the market is wise. The market is good. Trickle. Trickle.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts |
That trickle is a stream of urine showering the masses.
When someone finds a cure for Ebola what will their compensation be? Probably not enough to fund a lifestyle for a year of a "star".
John
"A poor workman always blames his tools" |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Some of you are confusing the business of baseball (or other forms of entertainment) with the player. It is baseball itself--or Hollywood, or whatever--that is built on greed...and exploitation.
You are confusing the bourgoisie with the prolitariat. Y'all just can't see that rich people might actually be being exploited. It's not "greedy" to fight against your own exploitation. Is it? What is a player supposed to do? Let the entire industry of baseball get rich off his labor while he works for a base salary? Now, is baseball as important as...say...medicine or education? That's another question. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
You've raised a whole buttload of questions, stone. As an individual within the system, it makes perfect sense to take as much as the market will bear. You can't blame athletes for profiting from a crazy system.
But you can question the system. Probably won't change anything. But it's worth pondering. What makes a babysitter worth $10/hour to the average household. They're entrusted to care for your children. Is that important? What makes lawn care worth $60/hour to the average household. They're entrusted to care for your grass. Is that important? I don't know. The market confuses me.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
The irony is that it didn't confuse Karl Marx. That buttload of questions came from him.
And everyone knows what a good Marxist I am. (Maybe that's why I mow my own lawn.) |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Nov 14, 2014, slowkneenuh wrote:... It's been absurb for years now and getting worse!... who are you trying to convince to pay you more?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
One of the reasons the baby sitter gets $10 an hour is because there are thousands upon thousands of people capable of baby sitting. However there ar not thousands and thousands of people who have the ability to do what many super star players do. That compounded by the fact that people are not going to pay a hundred dollars a ticket by the thousands to watch someone baby sit and therefore generate millions upon hundreds of millions of dollars.
However, I understand the question. Why is a sports player worth that much? The answer is really stated in the paragraph above but here it is inone sentence. Because we as a society are willing to pay the price. Do I feel it is justified? What I feel or you feel does not matter. It does get back to what the market will bear. How much would you pay your baby sitter if you had tickets to see this superstar player and could not find a sitter? Would you give a sitter $20 an hour for that one night or $50, or let your tickets go to waste. Of course many here will say, "Well I would not pay the price to see that player at all.".. Well the sports people are not depending on you are they? There are many who will and that is why they get what they do. I remember years ago when one of the baseball players got a huge contract when these contracts just started. It was all over the news. Is player X worth that kind of money? Well they questioned over 500 fans attending a game in which he was playing and were asked why they came to the game. Over 400 said to see player X. Do the math. Is anyone worth that kind of money? Depends in which vein you are asking the question. Because of his contributions to society? The answer in probably no. Is he worth it because of how much he can earn other people? The answer is probably yes.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I'd say that the answer is DEFINITELY yes.
But forget sports figures for a minute. How about David Copperfield, one of the highest all-time earners in show business (let alone in just magic)? How much revenue do you think he brings into the MGM? How much revenue do you think Siegfried and Roy brought into the Mirage? If you got offered that kind of money to perform, would you take it, or just refuse on general principles? Back to the sports stars for a moment- you also have to factor in the average career length of a professional athlete. It's not that long. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Funny how people always want to reevaluate what other people make.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Nov 14, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I think that a more important factor is that - thanks primarily to television - sports stars can entertain millions of people simultaneously; it's a lot harder for a babysitter to babysit for millions of people simultaneously. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Not with MTV and computers it isn't! (Insert smiley face here.)
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On Nov 14, 2014, slowkneenuh wrote: It has nothing to do with how "worthy" you feel someone/something is worth, it is nonsensical to even think that it would. What if you were a caveman ... and you were not catching enough fish to survive. Who would you complain to about that then? You will catch as many fish as the pond allows you ... period. The fact that you feel you are worth more fish is irrelevant. -JoeJoe
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, leech, criminal, destroyer of the national economy.
Total compensation for selected years: 2006-54 million 2007--70 million 2012--26 million 2013--23 million But he's doing "God's work": http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/05/24/h......trouble/ No, I have no problem with Stanton. Let the fools have their tartar sauce.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
How much does the average sports fan spend on his addiction?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
The $100 million dollar athlete/celebrity and the $10 per hour babysitter are both getting a fair market salary for their services, I suppose. But here's where it gets interesting... should society tolerate (or even condone) that the adult full-time babysitter, after paying income taxes, has to struggle just to survive, while the athlete/celebrity will easily be able to maintain a fabulously luxurious lifestyle after paying his/her income taxes?
Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Tolerate or condone? They make it POSSIBLE!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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