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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts 
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[quote]On Oct 16, 2015, EsnRedshirt wrote:
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On Oct 16, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: They ARE, in fact, making a living. And I notice rather unsurprisingly that you didn't answer my question, because we know what the answer is - they'd be in even worse shape. Because if they had a better opportunity than the one they've got assembling iPhones, they wouldn't be assembling iPhones, would they?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Also who assembled the computer he is typing on?
These questions are not comfortable. Not when you want to keep your heart bleeding.
Danny Doyle
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On Oct 16, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: This was addressed already in an earlier post. In case you missed it, here it is again: "Capitalism is arranged so that in order to survive, you must be part of the market, so there's nothing strange or hypocritical in people selling their books, or in working on computers made by people who are exploited. Capitalism is worldwide--there's no opt out button for most of us if we want to continue to live with our families and friends. What would be hypocritical, however, would be to deny that that system does indeed exploit millions of people, and to deny that people need to work together to change it to a more humane system that puts people before profits."
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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There is an opt out button.
Clever how being a hypocrite isn't being a hypocrite.
Danny Doyle
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They ARE, in fact, making a living. And I notice rather unsurprisingly that you didn't answer my question, because we know what the answer is - they'd be in even worse shape. Because if they had a better opportunity than the one they've got assembling iPhones, they wouldn't be assembling iPhones, would they? So slavery was good, because the alternative was death? Rather, we measure the oppression of a system precisely by its lack of viable alternatives.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2015, landmark wrote: OR maybe we should measure the success of a system by how many people it brings out of poverty. Name a system that has brought more people out of poverty than capitalism. |
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On Oct 17, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: Really? Within capitalism, where is the opt out button to survive without the consumption of products that are the result of exploitation? Growing your own orange trees, perhaps? There is nothing that is not a result of the exploitation of labor, whether in the mining of the raw materials or in the manufacturing process. What is hypocritical is to claim ideals of freedom and democracy while pretending that a worldwide oppressive system is not the central fact for the vast majority of the people in the world.
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2015, rockwall wrote: Well, the factory workers in China are still impoverished.
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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It might be worth considering alternatives to all and nothing.
I am unable to imagine zero capitalism in the modern world. But I can certainly imagine legislative improvements to what we have.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2015, EsnRedshirt wrote: That doesn't quite answer the question now, does it? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Have Apple pull out of their contracts with Chinese factory workers and see how well those workers are doing then.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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ESN's logic towards capitalism seems to be the same logic he uses in school shootings. If it doesn't stop ALL poverty then it doesn't stop ANY poverty.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2015, rockwall wrote: Well, you have to have SOME sort of principle in mind while you sit at home, lovingly cradling your Communist Manifesto...
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts
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Nah, just have Apple pay them more than poverty wages. We don't need to buy two or three iPhones per person, or upgrade every year.
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
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On Oct 17, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Same fallacy as before.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2015, EsnRedshirt wrote: What's an appropriate non-poverty wage in those Chinese villages? If it gets too close to American minimum wage, your Chinese factory workers are going to find themselves unemployed and wishing they were being exploited again.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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If I were a cartoonist, I'd draw a picture of foreign factory workers shaking their heads at the thought of disadvantaged Americans forced to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a house.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Why is he telling us hope mammy of what we can own?
I remember when this was a free country.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Sorry, I can't decipher that one, Danny.
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