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KenRyan
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I went throught the sticky post about a good set of card handling routines to learn FIRST, as a foundation, before learning more advanced stuff. I dutifully made a list and started looking into those maneuvers. One that was at the top said "Waterfall Shuffle." In Wilson, "Waterfall" is under Flourishes rather than shuffles. I may be getting confused on terminology here.

Anyway, I have follwed the directions in Wilson, and I found a video that gives the same instruction. The problem is can't do it AT ALL. I have sprayed the entire deck across the room about 10 times already. I'm getting tired of playing 52-Pickup:-P.

Is there some more remedial thing I can practice until I get the right motion(s)? Maybe doing it with 5 cards or something first?

And as I am still not 100% certain whether this would be asking to reveal something verboten, I have not mentioned anything about the instructions. But if it IS OK to talk about this here, I can get more specific.

Thanks!

Ken
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Practice over the bed... you don't have stoop so far to pick up the cards.

It's just a knack you have to get, sort of like doing a farrow suffle. When you get it you will wonder why it was so hard before.
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Thanks Bill. It's funny, I tried several older decks and found one that was better for this move. And though it was a miniature version - I finally GOT IT once or twice before littering the kitchen with pasteboard:).

Ken
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If cards are spraying all over the room, it sounds more like springing the cards as opposed to the waterfall. At any rate, the easiest way to get into it is to shorten the proximity of your hands. Start doing the flourish with your hands closer together; as close (and as far) as you feel comfortable. Once you have developed the knack for your flourish at this distance, move your hands a little farther apart...and do it all over again. Once you have defeated the monster at this new distance...you guessed it...move your hands farther apart. Continue this routine until you have mastered the move at a distance you are happy with performing at. Sure hope this helps!
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Yeah I think I'm with Raging_onion on that one. Are you sure you're doing a waterfall and not springing? If you are doing a waterfall once you riffle shuffle you're set up for the waterfall and that should all happen in your hands. Now if you're springing them well I could see this problem happening cause it's pretty common . And can be fixed by smply springing more towards your body. Give it a bit but I'm sure you will solve this problem aittle quicker.
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I concur that it sounds like you may be springing them somewhat. Keep your hands veery close together until you have the basic knack, then go for distance! You should almost never drop them.
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The deck you are using probably isn't broken enough yet. Of course, it helps to already know how to shuffle, spring, dribble, faro, etc to break in a deck, but it really helps if some of the stiffness is worked out of a deck for the waterfall. You might try getting a cancelled deck from a casino to learn with, but be forewarned that casino decks are made from slightly thinner stock so the will react differently. Also, when card fly all over the room the problem is usually too much pressure is being applied to the cards. Very few moves involve anything but the slightest pressure to be used. Don't give up. We've all been through this.
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If it is indeed springing the cards (rather than the waterfall drop) that is giving you trouble, consider these points:
1) The quality of the cards is critical. I find that today's Bicycle cards are terrible for spring flourishes in general, whether it is springing the cards from hand to hand, the arm spread and turnover, or the pressure fan. I find that Aviator cards are better for those kinds of flourishes.
2) We've discussed on the Café before the difference between releasing the cards from the thumb and releasing the cards from the fingers. The thumb release is my preference because the faces of the cards are more visible, whereas releasing the cards from the fingers makes the backs more prominent--unless of course you hold the deck face up to begin with.

You can see an old clip of my spring flourish routines here:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=526......&theater

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