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stoneunhinged
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I was astonished to read that a fellow member of the Café had lost "credibility".

Interesting.

(I myself am incredible. Don't you think?)

Here in my office in Goettingen, it seems to me that Americans have lost something very special. They don't respect differences of opinion anymore.

This saddens me.

Democracy cannot exist unless people respect the opinion of others. It doesn't really matter whether they agree. They just need a sense of respect...and "credibility".

Y'all may think that I'm intellectually retarded and full of bull hockey. That's OK with me. But "credibility" means something else. It means that y'all may think that my opinion is a legitimate ("credible") opinion. Respecting me as a citizen of the USA should mean that even if I am typing this from my office here in Goettingen, that my opinion is that of a fellow American.

The Café is starting to embarrass me, because y'all seem to have lost the notion of friendliness and respect for others who have different opinions. A different opinion doesn't make someone un-American. A different opinion makes someone especially American. America is a place where people can have different opinions.

Or it used to be. Back it the day.

"Credibility" shouldn't mean that someone agrees with you. "Credibility" should mean that someone is a human being with a different point of view that can be respected because they are a fellow human being.

If we all lived in North Korea, then we would perhaps have a different view of "credibility".

As it is, perhaps some of us could do some work toward respecting others who don't think like we do.
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I find this topic to be an interesting one.

I think I may disagree with stone. I am of the opinion that not all opinions are respectable or credible. For example, some opinions are simply denials of facts; some opinions ignore some facts; and scientific conclusions are not necessarily "opinions." I am not sure any of these opinions are respectable; I think none of them are credible.

I think that some responsibility for what you are observing is the conversion of fact and opinion into theater by the media outlets. I look at the political pundits from both the left and the right, and I am amazed that their views always reflect their "party line." My opinion is that real human beings hardly ever are completely aligned with either leftist or rightist doctrine. But media coverage supports a view that liberals are always liberal and conservatives are always conservative regardless of the issue before them.
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The Café is starting to embarrass me, because y'all seem to have lost the notion of friendliness and respect for others who have different opinions. A different opinion doesn't make someone un-American. A different opinion makes someone especially American. America is a place where people can have different opinions.


I agree, it would be nice if it were true.
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Respect is earned, not given like many demand others to do.

When someone or a group of persons try to jam their opinions down "another's throat", and say they are right because statistics say so, isn't seeing the whole picture.

Like Respect, one's Creditability is earned, not given. I can respect one's opinion, but give it no creditability because we both see it from a different pair of eyes and opinions.
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May I mention that credibility and creditability are two different words, with different meanings?

Who knew?
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On Nov 26, 2014, stoneunhinged wrote:



Y'all may think that I'm intellectually retarded and full of bull hockey.


You're only half full of bull hockey, but I suspect it's the good half. Happy Thanksgiving, Jeff!
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On Nov 26, 2014, stoneunhinged wrote:
(I myself am incredible. Don't you think?)

Although I've never considered you incredible, I've always thought of you as unbelievable.
stoneunhinged
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Did you ever consider me to be incredibitable?

(Did I even spell that correctly?)
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Never gave it a thought.
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I sometimes find a post embarrassing too, when the implication is "I don't agree with you, therefore you're a jerk."

One has nothing to do with the other. I've known lots of jerks (that's my opinion, ok?) and sometimes they're made a good point. And I've known lots of people who are not jerks (again, my opinion), and sometimes I've totally disagreed with their opinion on something.

People just seem to take stuff too personally nowadays. Need to go back and watch "The Godfather" again. Tom Hagen had it nailed. Smile
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stoneunhinged
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On Nov 26, 2014, 0pus wrote:
I find this topic to be an interesting one.

I think I may disagree with stone. I am of the opinion that not all opinions are respectable or credible.


As most of you know, I am arrogant enough to think that a lot of you have stupid opinions.

But you can still be my friends. Friendship and friendliness is not (at least for me) conditioned on the rightness of your ideas. Sure, if you want to spout a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted nonsense I might find yout views unfriendly. But if you voted differently than I did in the last election, or if you have religious beliefs different from mine, then I won't recommend you seek psychiatric help.

I am an anti-relativist. But I try to be nice about it.
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Well, Jeff, you have put your finger on what I was talking about: when people "spout a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted nonsense," I find these views neither respectable nor credible. As a young American, I used to believe strongly with Voltaire when he said, "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Today, not so much. There are a lot of people saying a lot of stuff, whose right to say it I am not sure I would lift a finger to defend.
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You seem to have a point.

Thanks.
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