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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
I think the example of Michael Ammar (at a magic lecture) is bad example to make your point. Here is someone who is using that mic for the first time, instead of someone who uses the same mic repeatedly.
As far as I'm aware, I don't play with the mic too much once it's in place, because I'm used to wearing it after many performances. One thing I really appreciate about my Samson Airline Micro is that there are no cords. That transmitter is built into the earset. I can't tell you how much trouble I had with headset and lapel mics that had cords to a transmitter pack that goes on your belt (or in your pocket). Others might not have had that much trouble with the cords, but I did. I'd catch my hand on the cord and pull the transmitter pack off my belt or out of my pocket, etc. Or the cord would pull the wrong way, and move the lapel mic or headset mic out of position. I even tried feeding the cord inside my shirt (or down the inside of the back of my jacket, in the case of a headset mic), but it has to come out to the transmitter pack at some point. - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I just watched my show and the total number of adjustments is zero in 70 minutes. Now what is your point again Sam?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts |
Well danny you are the exception then.
i have yet to see a performer go a whole show with out touching the mic you sir I guess have worked it out to make it perfect. good job! i wont use them and in all my shows my lapel mic has been perfect and is far less visible then the head sets. I have done a lot of shows in every kind of situation and it works best. Donald I understand what you saying and agree the wire makes it even worse. however those wireless ones then have that huge pack that now sits by your ear. as for Michael Ammar I think it is the perfect example! these head sets don't work! if they had given him a wireless lapel mic he would have put it on and done his lecture and no worries. when I perform or lecture I require a lapel mic. while others use the head sets and I watch them fumble with it thru out their portion of the show. then I go out and my face is clear of objects and no fumbling with the mic cause I am using a lapel mic. i don't know I guess I just don't get it. sorry I bothered you all with my thoughts. sam
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
What I don't understand is the need to want to be hands-free if it is not needed or required in your performance. I get why jugglers, actors and perhaps some magicians would need to, but so often I see speakers, trainers, and even several comedians use the headset mic. Then they look awkward because they don't know what to do with their hands. What happened to the days where most professionals wanted to use a hand-held for both the best sound as well as appearance?
On the same token it never ceases to amaze me how many entertainers do not know how to properly use a mic of any kind, hand-held included. They always make noise when removing from or placing it into the mic holder, when adjusting the stand, boom or gooseneck. This drive me nuts as well, so I can see where Sam's irritation comes from. |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
Another thing you see with some performers who wear a headset or lapel mic is that they pace. And their pacing becomes a distraction to their performance. They don't seem to know how to stand in one place and deliver their performance. If they used a mic in a stand, that might help to anchor them, but not always.
Sam - At a school show the other night, I had a parent take show photos with my camera. Of the 75 photos, I'm touching the mic zero times. I'm touching my other ear a couple of times because of dealing with perspiration, but there are no wires / headset gear near my other ear. So what if the transmitter is noticeable behind my ear, on the Samson Airline Micro? The audience gets used to it and learns to ignore it, especially if the performer doesn't make a big deal about it. Again, it's all about how comfortable a performer is with his mic, and that often comes by experience with that mic / repeated use. - Donald P.S. Is it possible that a face being "clear of objects" is more important to you because you are deaf and do some lip reading?
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Again this was nothing but a ruse to put forth a rant.
Sam it is possible that you are really inbyour one of a quite small minority bothered by it. I will never use lapel mics because the loss of sound when the head is turned is quite distracting. Magicians often look awkward in front of mic stands. But again you don't want opinions such as from professional sound guys. You simply wanted your rant validated in some way. Again next time warn us. I have seen MANY shows with these mics and if the performer is accustomed to using them they never are distracting with adjustments. I just wonder who you go see that is so bad at using equipment.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
I also think the level of professionalism of the performer and the venue itself also comes into play to much of this.
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts |
Danny I am sorry you felt this was a ruse
it was not. I really wanted to hear what people use and why. while I still stand on the fact that I have yet to see a quality show run with a head set mic but maybe its just the shows I have seen over the years. i don't remember them all but some were big names at their own shows. i don't think Copperfield uses one if I remember correctly took my daughter to see him while we were on tour. look to each is his own. as a professional I strive to make sure each and every show is presented the best it can be from sound to back drop to my magic. for me I don't want some thing on my head and in the way. part of that is that my show is also quite physically active I am high energy. but it is also I don't see these head sets working like you think they do. and Danny I work with professional sound guys. my sound tech is a professional! so yes I do want advice from professionals- how else are you going to learn if you don't take advice from pros! But in the future if I am seeking info before I share my thoughts I will be sure to make sure I contact you first Mindpro this is also true about the level of professionalism I think budget may also be a contributing factor for some. which I talk about as well in my lecture. magicians willing to pay $6000 for an illusion but want to spend $100 on a mic and sound system ugh! thanks again for the inputs
sam sandler- America's only full-time DEAF Illusionist
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea Sam sarcasm works well go for it.
What does big names do you refer to? I think you are making way more off it than there really is. A poorly done microphone of any sort is just bad. I have heard far more problems from lapel style than headsets. When a head is turned it loses something and when it russles around it is very distracting. I think you have an opinion and just want to use anything possible to further it. My headset is practically invisible. I would not use it to sing but for speaking it is perfect and I never have to adjust it. I know many who use this same deal and it is perfect. Is there a reason you are hyper aware of the issue and automatically think this of everyone? Because it is not as big an issue as you think.
Danny Doyle
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lou serrano Special user Los Angeles, CA 671 Posts |
Sam, go see one of the high end production shows from Disney, and you won't see anyone fiddling with their mics.
Not too long ago I saw a show at Disneyland. It was a musical. All the characters were wearing Countryman E6 mics (my personal choice). I was in the third row, and I couldn't figure out where there mics were until several songs into the production. Not once did any of the characters touch there mic, and the sound was crystal clear. If you've seen people where the mic is a distraction, in most cases it's not the fault of the mic (assuming of course that the performer is using a quality mic, sound system, and audio engineer). It's the fault of the performer. And that goes for any kind of mic whether it's handheld, on a stand, lavaliere, headset, or ear set. Just my 2¢ Lou Serrano |
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Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
I've had absolutely no problems with my label mic. It's works well for crowds from 50-350. If I was performing at bigger venues, then I might consider something else.
Having said that, I agree with Lou that I think a Countryman E6 mic is far less noticeable - than those Bane (from Batman) headset microphones. Gerry |
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Kevin Ridgeway V.I.P. Indianapolis, IN & Phoenix, AZ 1832 Posts |
Sam, I'm not sure if you are aware that there are headset mics that go over both ears. DPA mics had it for years. Countryman finally came out with one a few years back. AT, Shure, Samson all have dual ear headsets. HOWEVER, most magciains still use the one ear headset. The single ear mic more often than not will 'pivot' on the ear. that's why most end up taping the boom to their face.
There are plenty of headset mics that are now rock solid and do not move, thus eliminating the ned to adjust it. There is also the option of running a small element mic thru your hair and clipped at the front of your hairline. Also, for the record, a 'properly positioned' DPA or countryman which is not directly out in front of your mouth is virtually invisible from 20'away.
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts |
I will agree that most of this is due to the performer most likely not knowing how to use a mic properly.
like mindpro pointed out regardless of the mic magicians are notorious for doing things with the mic and making feedback and other sounds. when working with my sound guy any time I have to remove the mic he kills it so that there is no scratching or any sound. when by myself I kill it so that it does not make sound. Kevin yes I am aware of the different mics out there and yes agree the newer 2 ear ones are much more stable but I guess I still don't want anything on my face. i have gotten some good info here and certainly will carry it thru in my lectures. for me I guess its lapel and hand held. by the way yes I have seen some big productions and yes I have seen them adjust the mics so its not just a few magic shows. maybe I brought it up now due to the fact that in the past 2 months I have seen over 15 different people using the head set mic and all fiddled with it all had problems all had distractions. I am deaf so I do go out much to broadway shows etc but when I do go to shows due to not being able to hear I am looking right at their mouths in hopes of reading lips. some times that stupid black foam ball is floating right infront of their mouth so there is no hope of me reading lips. ugh. good info and thanks again I am enjoying hearing er um I ah mean reading your responses. sam
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
So you are hypersensitive to this issue.
Don't automatically think the whole world is. The two ear mics work great and are invisible practically. Also they run along the jaw line and stop in the corner of the mouth when worn properly.
Danny Doyle
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts |
I am not hypersensitive I just witnessed a large number of issues in a short period of time not to mention over the last few years seeing more and more magicians using them and having issues with them.
it got to a point where I need to find out what the rage was with having some thing on your head that gets in the way of your show and in your pictures. i am sure there are a few out there that have figured it out but even watching garth brooks or other high profile performers adjust their headsets makes me say nope not gonna do it. have a great weekend of shows everyone. sam
sam sandler- America's only full-time DEAF Illusionist
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Dr. JK Inner circle Sandusky, OH 1191 Posts |
I use a wired mike (a Shure SM58 typically) because most of my performances are at open mic nights in the area, and that's what all of them offer! This is great for me, as it helps train me to use a wired mic, even if I should decide to use another type for myself in the future.
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
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On Dec 3, 2014, Sam Sandler wrote: Is that because you want the females to see 100% of your baby face? |
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
For those interested in a detailed discussion on sound options, I found this thread most helpful.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0 |
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
It is not the thread Charlie. It is you who are most helpful.
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts |
Dynamike
how else am I gonna get me a women! LOL good job charlie I will take a look at that as well. i have 3 sound systems and before I went on tour I sold off my big sound system. as now when I play large theatres or churches I require them to provide sound.
sam sandler- America's only full-time DEAF Illusionist
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